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Finding a way through 'the avalanche of crazy' or Trump thread 96.

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lionheart · 17/09/2019 02:02

From back in Decemeber:

'This shouldn’t get lost in the avalanche of crazy. The wall we need is between DOJ and the White House. The foundation of our democracy- the rule of law- depends on it.' Sally Q. Yates.

Smile

Old thread:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3645518-Its-High-Crimes-and-Misdemeanours-Time-Trump-thread-no-95

Finding a way through 'the avalanche of crazy' or Trump thread 96.
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TheClaws · 04/10/2019 08:43

He did this IN JUNE. This is one of the transcripts stored on the secure, ‘secret’ server.

Josh Campbell
@joshscampbell
Trump raised Biden with the Chinese President in a June phone call housed in highly-secure server

TheNorthWestPawsage · 04/10/2019 08:50

TRUMP's top Ukraine envoys, Kurt Volker & Gordon Sondland, pushed UKRAINE to commit to investigating Trump's rivals -- marking the 1st evidence that the US government effort to push for probes into BIDEN & other rivals was broader than just Trump.
NYT’s Kenneth P. Vogel @kenvogel

Full thread>>
twitter.com/threadreaderapp/status/1179969642158346240?s=21

twitter.com/kenvogel/status/1179895867282743296?s=21

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TheNorthWestPawsage · 04/10/2019 10:25

Ugh!

Video:
Trump supporters followed Elizabeth Warren through an airport chanting ‘Pocahontas’ and ‘Don’t impeach!’

twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/1179916794460622849?s=21

cozietoesie · 04/10/2019 11:01

Good preparation. (If she needs any.) Smile

lionheart · 04/10/2019 11:28

I was just thinking about how that kind of calm is going to be needed.

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lionheart · 04/10/2019 11:44

This is very, very strange indeed (and the article doesn't quite do justice to the 'press-conference'):

www.thedailybeast.com/elizabeth-warren-laughs-off-jacob-wohl-jack-burkmans-latest-smear?via=twitter_page

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lionheart · 04/10/2019 11:45

Oh dear.

'The social media missive was a response to a truly off-the-rails press conference by the infamous, bungling duo Jacob Wohl and Jack Burkman, in which they appeared with a man alleging to be a veteran of the war in Afghanistan who claimed he had dominatrix sex with the Massachusetts Democrat.'

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TheClaws · 04/10/2019 12:07

Trump suggests State TV would be a great idea! Honestly.

The Hill
@thehill
Trump suggests government consider starting its own news network hill.cm/5iIX5Zp

Finding a way through 'the avalanche of crazy' or Trump thread 96.
Lweji · 04/10/2019 12:14

Trump suggests State TV would be a great idea! Honestly.

It wouldn't be like the BBC, I'm sure. Not in his mind.

lionheart · 04/10/2019 18:24

Roe V. Wade.

www.npr.org/2019/10/04/763863712/supreme-court-revisits-abortion-with-louisiana-case

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Sleipnirthewonderhorse · 04/10/2019 23:08

www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1062481?__twitter_impression=true

CIA's top lawyer made 'criminal referral' on whistleblower's complaint about Trump conduct
Experts are raising questions about why the Justice Department did not open an investigation.

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lionheart · 05/10/2019 01:05

And away from impeachment:

www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/job-growth-falls-short-expectations-again-totals-slip-under-trump

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TheClaws · 05/10/2019 01:50

A second official may cone forward in whistleblower case.

Kyle Griffin
@kylegriffin1
Breaking via NYT: A second intel official who was alarmed by Trump's Ukraine dealings is weighing whether to file his own formal whistleblower complaint and testify to Congress.

The official has more direct info about events than the first whistleblower.

TheClaws · 05/10/2019 02:02

Tucker Carlson has made a notable break from his usual extreme-right Trump-loving doctrine by publishing the below op-ed on his odious Daily Caller site. (Although he is a Fox anchor, he also runs the Daily Caller, a more extreme, unapologetic version of Breitbart.) he hasn’t cut the apron strings entirely, though. The last paragraph of the op-ed reads, “Impeaching a president is the most extreme and anti-democratic remedy we have in our system of government.” (My bolding.) Isn’t impeachment one of the most democratic expressions of government we have?

Oliver Darcy
@oliverdarcy
Tucker Carlson and Neil Patel in op-ed: "Trump should not have been on the phone with a foreign head of state encouraging another country to investigate his political opponent, Joe Biden. Some Republicans are trying, but there’s no way to spin this..."

“ Yet it’s part of the bedrock of our Constitution, not an added Amendment, the bedrock! Making it the most democratic remedy we have to right a wrong!

Roussette · 05/10/2019 06:53
Shock

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/oct/04/trump-young-black-leadership-summit-candace-owens

Candace Owens and some Trumpy arse licking...

'Trump invited Owens to take the stage and she returned the compliment with flattery that would make the Ukrainian president envious. “You know, I was thinking,” she said, standing at the podium with the presidential seal, “every single president that comes into office, after two years they look so much older. He seems to be the only president that’s getting younger!”

Trump beamed and said, “That’s true!” The vice-president, Mike Pence, standing a short distance behind, smiled beatifically. Yet Owens wasn’t done. “He has somehow found the fountain of youth. I think he gets up out of bed – it’s the fight. He loves the fight, he really does. We are so blessed.'

Lweji · 05/10/2019 08:26

And the doing very little.

Plus, in other leaders their hair is shown to become grey... or receding... Well...

And unlike his brain.

TheNorthWestPawsage · 05/10/2019 09:28

Optimistic opinion piece for once.
But I fear the Repugs are too far gone now.

Trump is the kid with his hand in the cookie jar – and Republicans know it
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/oct/05/donald-trump-impeachment-republicans-senate?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

...House Democrats will vote to impeach, but will Senate Republicans vote to convict? Until now that seemed implausible. Democrats hold 47 Senate seats. If they all vote to convict, 20 Republicans would have to join them in order to have the necessary two-thirds of the Senate.

What was implausible is now possible. If the vote were held in secret, says Republican strategist Mike Murphy, 30 Republicans would vote today for impeachment. Former Republican senator Jeff Flake puts the likely number at 35.

Will they go public? Twenty-three Republicans are up for re-election next fall. Most are from red states that support Trump. But in a few months they’ll be safe from primary challenges. They’ll be free to vote him out

Others – Susan Collins of Maine, Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania, Rob Portman of Ohio, for example – are from purple states where they’ll be challenged by a Democrat and have every incentive to vote Trump out. Trump has no leverage over long-serving senators planning to retire, such as Lamar Alexander of Tennessee.

Meanwhile, he’s losing support among responsible Senate Republicans like Mitt Romney of Utah, who calls his actions “troubling in the extreme”, Nebraska’s Ben Sasse, who urges colleagues not to “circle the wagons”, and intelligence chair Richard Burr of North Carolina, who vows to “get to the bottom” of what happened.
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lionheart · 05/10/2019 10:31

x posted.

I did not know this:

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/oct/04/bernie-sanders-heart-attack-hospital-release

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Lweji · 05/10/2019 10:38

I suppose it will depend on how public opinion turns on the red states up for election too.
If the economy tanks, unemployment rises, etc, maybe stupid will too tank.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 05/10/2019 10:50

The real trouble is, if Trump goes, what the world gets is Pence. He may not be as bad, but he's a pretty awful person and I think he would be a dangerously poor President.

Roussette · 05/10/2019 10:53

Isn't Pence severely implicated too?