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Finding a way through 'the avalanche of crazy' or Trump thread 96.

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lionheart · 17/09/2019 02:02

From back in Decemeber:

'This shouldn’t get lost in the avalanche of crazy. The wall we need is between DOJ and the White House. The foundation of our democracy- the rule of law- depends on it.' Sally Q. Yates.

Smile

Old thread:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3645518-Its-High-Crimes-and-Misdemeanours-Time-Trump-thread-no-95

Finding a way through 'the avalanche of crazy' or Trump thread 96.
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lionheart · 05/10/2019 10:54

More shifting.

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-news-live-impeachment-ukraine-biden-china-tweets-today-2020-polls-a9142681.html

'Republicans are reportedly backing away from opportunities to defend Donald Trump after the impeachment inquiry took another dramatic turn on Thursday night when the House Intelligence Committee released 25 pages of damning text messages from US special envoy Kurt Volker exposing the extent of American diplomatic pressure on Ukraine in the run-up to the notorious Volodymyr Zelensky call on 25 July.'

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Lweji · 05/10/2019 13:46

Isn't Pence severely implicated too?

Trump has certainly tried to. Although, most in the Administration will have their hands dirty. Mob style.

Lweji · 05/10/2019 13:48

I'd be surprised if GOP hasn't been wishing to get rid of him anyway.

TheNorthWestPawsage · 05/10/2019 15:22

THREAD: We spent days in Kyiv reporting on how the Ukrainian president and his team struggled to respond to growing pressure from the White House, getting a crash course in U.S. politics along the way.
Here's what we found:
twitter.com/georgikantchev/status/1180441043147382784?s=21

In Months Before Trump Call, Ukraine Officials Sweated White House Pressure
The administration in Kyiv felt it had to accede to White House wishes in order to secure a summit
www.wsj.com/articles/in-months-before-trump-call-ukraine-officials-sweated-white-house-pressure-11570231665

lionheart · 05/10/2019 17:50

Yes. I wonder what his polling looks like ...

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TheNorthWestPawsage · 05/10/2019 19:13

I know it’s way past even questioning it any more but how the f*ck did he ever get to run anything, let alone a country?

Trump’s calls with foreign leaders have long worried aides, leaving some ‘genuinely horrified’
www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trumps-calls-with-foreign-leaders-have-long-worried-aides-leaving-some-genuinely-horrified/2019/10/04/537cc7a8-e602-11e9-a331-2df12d56a80b_story.html

Hoooo · 05/10/2019 19:53

I imagine his numbers are going UP.

Trump supporters (much like no deal brexit supporters) do not trust experts or, you know, facts.

lionheart · 05/10/2019 21:47

Ah, facts. Grin

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AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 05/10/2019 22:19

"Nasty, hard, uncomfortable things, facts," said Wimsey.

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PerkingFaintly · 05/10/2019 23:33

Hah, saw the beginning of your post, Asking, and thought "Sayers!".

PerkingFaintly · 05/10/2019 23:35

I have Gaudy Night on my bedside table at the moment. They're all reading for our times.Sad

yolofish · 06/10/2019 01:11

ITV (I think it was) news at 10 tonight said "impeachment now almost inevitable". Couldnt happen to a nicer chap...

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Roussette · 06/10/2019 07:09

An interesting read... a thread unrolled for easy reading urging Trump's enablers to walk away before it's too late...

threadreaderapp.com/thread/1180311785703788546.html

'I don't know who needs to hear this, but back in the day, when I was a lawyer, over 30 years, I represented 2 high-functioning narcissistic sociopaths.
So I know how the endgame is going to be played out:
Bail out now, enablers. Quit. Cut your best deal. .....'

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 06/10/2019 11:42

(Having had a bit-of-a-read last night, I admit I got that quote wrong.

"When I was a small boy, I always hated facts. Thought they were nasty, hard things, all nobs," is what Wimsey really said.

My apologies. Back to the thread.)

TheClaws · 06/10/2019 11:48

Crazier by the day - “just change the rules to protect the Constitution”. If the rules are changed, that Constitution isn’t protected, is it? Trouble is, Trump listens to these loonies.

Jason Campbell
@JasonSCampbell
Fox guest Tom Fitton says Mitch McConnell should "change the rules to protect the Constitution" and not have an impeachment trial

twitter.com/JasonSCampbell/status/1180660021421625353?s=20

lionheart · 06/10/2019 15:28

Two.

www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-impeachment-inquiry/second-whistleblower-comes-forward-trump-ukraine-scandal-n1062961

'"I can confirm that my firm and my team represent multiple whistleblowers in connection to the underlying August 12, 2019, disclosure to the Intelligence Community Inspector General," attorney Andrew Bakaj told NBC News.'

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lionheart · 06/10/2019 15:31

Sudafed?

www.inquisitr.com/5675792/donald-trump-hides-boxes-sudafed-desk-photo-apprentice/

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cozietoesie · 06/10/2019 15:36

Shall he roll back tariffs?

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/10/06/investing/stocks-week-ahead-trade-talks/index.html

cozietoesie · 06/10/2019 15:45

Sudafed.

https://www.healthline.com/health/allergies/sudafed

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 06/10/2019 15:50

So - do we think he will still be president by thread #100?

Lweji · 06/10/2019 16:27

Not likely, threads can move fast, particularly coming Impeachment. But there's always a chance he resigns.

lionheart · 06/10/2019 16:56

I've been wondering that myself. Lord.

I suspect he will still be in place because the avalanche is only just beginning. If he leaves office/is removed he will face all kinds of other charges so he really is fighting to keep his power and his liberty.

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