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To think Sam Smith is being ridiculous?

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gc400 · 15/09/2019 22:31

For asking to be called they/them?

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testing987654321 · 18/09/2019 17:45

I assume we agreed that Sam Smith was just being ridiculous about 400 posts earlier.

Tizzy is trying to be mean but about as successfully as a 3 year old.

TheAlternativeTentacle · 18/09/2019 17:45

You get fed up of polite when it's piss rip out of, belittling, name calling etc

I agree, tizzy shouldn't really be name calling, but that is obviously their thing when they can't explain how it works.

Perhaps you could? How does a man change into a woman, what happens and at what point has it happened?

If you could just talk us through it that would be great.

birdsdestiny · 18/09/2019 17:45

Crikey they can never ever hold the misogyny back can they? Have you called us all old lesbians yet tizzy, I think that's the only one you have missed out.

tizzybell · 18/09/2019 17:45

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DickKerrLadies · 18/09/2019 17:46

Tizzy is trying to be mean but about as successfully as a 3 year old.

Ahhh you know what, I haven't had one of my children tell me that they hate me for a while.

I'm clearly not trying hard enough.

tizzybell · 18/09/2019 17:47

Why would I call you old lesbians? lesbian isn't an insult

TheAlternativeTentacle · 18/09/2019 17:47

I have argued that trans people should be referred to by their preferred pronouns as to choose not to is transphobic

What is a trans person, so that I know to look out for one?

What happens to a man to change his sex into a woman, and at what point will I know they are 'trans'?

tizzybell · 18/09/2019 17:48

this is actually so funny. I am a 24 year old woman, I am not an incel. You are the incels hahaha look at yourselves? you're sweating bullets because Sam Smith wants to be referred to as 'they' its so funny to watch

RosesAndRaindrops · 18/09/2019 17:48

Why has this thread descended into utter chaos?

Cos they always bloody do Grin
Especially when people have an opposing viewpoint.
Heaven forbid more than one at the same time, then it's thread carnage galore when not everyone agrees to toe the party line of thinking

tizzybell · 18/09/2019 17:49

@TheAlternativeTentacle You will know when they tell you. In the same way that Sam Smith has let us all know... are you really that dense? Nobody expects you to just know who is trans and who isn't. Ask for pronouns. Don't be lazy.

TheAlternativeTentacle · 18/09/2019 17:49

Heaven forbid more than one at the same time, then it's thread carnage galore when not everyone agrees to toe the party line of thinking

Well, you could always explain it to us.

Your line of thinking is that men can change into women right?

So explain what happens, and when to all of us that don't understand it.

DickKerrLadies · 18/09/2019 17:50

Have you asked us any of our pronouns? How lazy of you!

DickKerrLadies · 18/09/2019 17:50

*any of us

I'm obviously too old to be allowed to type.

tizzybell · 18/09/2019 17:51

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DickKerrLadies · 18/09/2019 17:51

lol

Bless.

TheAlternativeTentacle · 18/09/2019 17:51

You will know when they tell you. In the same way that Sam Smith has let us all know... are you really that dense? Nobody expects you to just know who is trans and who isn't. Ask for pronouns. Don't be lazy.

So nothing happens? it's just on their say so?

And yet you believe them?

What if they aren't really trans, and just kidding? How do we know the difference? Should we believe every man that tells us stuff?

tizzybell · 18/09/2019 17:52

Why do you need to know exactly what happens to understand it? Just know that it happens and be at peace! Or better yet, go out and actually meet some trans people and ask them!

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testing987654321 · 18/09/2019 17:52

Lol tizzy. I am mildly bemused that a man thinks he isn't really a man. I appreciate where he is coming from as there appears to be a current belief that your interests define your sex.

Us old folk went through this ourselves many years ago and realised that your body determines your sex and you can have any interests you like.

See how that works?

tizzybell · 18/09/2019 17:52

yes because its very rare for someone to lie about such a thing? Thats like arguing we shouldn't believe rape victims just because we didn't witness the event

RosesAndRaindrops · 18/09/2019 17:52

What is a trans person, so that I know to look out for one?

Oh come onnnnnnn ffs, I mean I get accused of being obtuse at times when I don't always agree on points or ask something people don't like, but this..... just..... wtf lol
I mean, I've descended into wtfs and my grammar's gone to pot
that's how bonkers these threads are

Grin
TheAlternativeTentacle · 18/09/2019 17:53

So, this man says 'I am a woman' and you say 'sure thing, I believe you'.

Even though he is a convicted rapist?

Really?

To think Sam Smith is being ridiculous?
tizzybell · 18/09/2019 17:54

YES your body may determine your biological sex but not your gender.... I have covered this countless times and frankly am exhausted. I teach in a secondary school and they grasp spanish grammar better than any of you can grasp the use of the english language