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To think Sam Smith is being ridiculous?

778 replies

gc400 · 15/09/2019 22:31

For asking to be called they/them?

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RosesAndRaindrops · 18/09/2019 17:15

So with any new problems with male violence, the onus is placed on the “solution” we already have: basically, budge up, girls. Let the transwomen in because the men aren’t keen

If who they are is female inside (not biologically before anyone says) why would they want to be in the mens?
Their body presumably wouldn't match up if they'd undergone surgery and was transitioning to female.
The transmen, what about them? Going by your logic transmen should stay in the ladies, men shouldn't have to "budge over" for them.
How does that work if you got an extremely male looking transman?
You wouldn't know or like them coming in with you either as you'd assume man....
(how are we back on the bogs argument when it's about non binary, these threads are circle like lol)

tizzybell · 18/09/2019 17:16

Life expectancy for cis women is not 35 in the Americas but it is for trans women...... Get off your high horse you are wrong. I’m leaving this thread because there’s no convincing you people. I only hope your children don’t take their own lives as result of your bigotry. Good day you poor unfortunate souls x

tizzybell · 18/09/2019 17:19

www.hrc.org/resources/understanding-the-transgender-community

Sorry. I leave you with this. Educate yourselves and find some compassion in your hearts

TheAlternativeTentacle · 18/09/2019 17:19

If who they are is female inside (not biologically before anyone says) why would they want to be in the mens?

How can you type such utter nonsense with a straight face?

Men are not female inside. They are men inside and out.

SmellbowSpaceBowl · 18/09/2019 17:19

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OldCrone · 18/09/2019 17:19

Have you ever considered that you might be wrong tizzybell?

tizzybell · 18/09/2019 17:20

No because trans people exist and you’re the ones invalidating them. It’s like saying the sun isn’t real

SmellbowSpaceBowl · 18/09/2019 17:20

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TheAlternativeTentacle · 18/09/2019 17:23

Sorry. I leave you with this. Educate yourselves and find some compassion in your hearts

Educate yourselves. Dearie me.

RosesAndRaindrops · 18/09/2019 17:23

I wonder how much of that is disappointment that women don’t become completely subjugated during marriage. If you can’t own and control a woman completely, why not become one?

Wow.
OK
if that's how you view relationships between a male and a female and marriage there's no wonder you hold the views you do.
Are you married to a a man or in a relationship with one? Just curious, you don't have to answer.
As I can't understand how anyone in one could view their relationship/marriage like that if you are.

TheAlternativeTentacle · 18/09/2019 17:24

No because trans people exist and you’re the ones invalidating them.

Invalidate.

Any more TRA/MRA tropes to reel out before you leave us?

tizzybell · 18/09/2019 17:25

No because you’re making it up? YOure all deluded if you think trans people lie to be able to use women’s toilets hahaha. Trans people are brutally murdered and people like you have blood on your hands! Invalidating their existence allows for the open hatred of trans people

testing987654321 · 18/09/2019 17:26

people like you have blood on your hands!

I love a well reasoned argument.

tizzybell · 18/09/2019 17:27

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tizzybell · 18/09/2019 17:28

TRANS RIGHTS!!!!

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TheAlternativeTentacle · 18/09/2019 17:29

Trans people are brutally murdered

In the UK it is safer to be trans than not.

Also there are more trans people that have murdered others, than have been murdered. Quite a statistic.

tizzybell · 18/09/2019 17:30

You go on telling yourself that girl! I’m reassured that my parents aren’t as awful as all of you. Bet you’re all tories as well. Horrible horrible creatures

TheAlternativeTentacle · 18/09/2019 17:31

And soon you will all be dead and my generation will be left to clean up your mess haha! You love to see it

Yeah, that's another TRA trope.

You really have swallowed the Little Book of Calm haven't you?

OldCrone · 18/09/2019 17:31

Trans people are brutally murdered and people like you have blood on your hands!

Trans people are brutally murdered by men. They are the ones with blood on their hands, not the women who are just trying to keep themselves and their children safe.

RosesAndRaindrops · 18/09/2019 17:31

I love being young and open minded!

Hey, not all older people aren't open minded, this older one reads and learns, maybe doesn't agree with everything but certainly open minded enough to know my experiences aren't the be all and end all like some on here do, can't imagine what it's like to be so closed off.
Rather be open minded and listen to other views and opinions than some of the rigid, intolerant stuff on here Smile

itsabongthing · 18/09/2019 17:31

I am “open minded”
I am open to thinking that there are people experiencing real distress that they don’t feel they fit with what they think their biological gender “should” be like
But I am also open to thinking that the (possibly) unintended consequences of trying to be nice and inclusive and accommodating to that very small minority of people is impacting negatively on female only spaces, women’s rights and lesbians.

And regardless of all that, Sam Smith coming out with this comes across as attention seeking I’m afraid

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testing987654321 · 18/09/2019 17:32

Calm down tizzy, think some nice calming thoughts and listen to some relaxing music.

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