To think Sam Smith is being ridiculous?

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For asking to be called they/them?

Using “they” is ungrammatical and clunky. I would not use it on those grounds. either.

YANBU.

“Comments about women’s and girls spaces are weird” chocolate50
Why do you think there are sex segregated spaces?
How exactly is someone “brave” for saying they like to wear high heels and make up?

How does Sam Smith know what a woman thinks like?

See, this is where I differ - I commented earlier on the thread saying they their type pronouns confuse me, it grammatically makes my head hurt
I profess to admitting they their confuses the hell out of me.
Being female inside has nothing to do with personality though.
Nothing to do with thinking. Or pink, or blue.
No, I'm not going to define woman before anyone asks as I can't be arsed doing it all over again.
It's just there.

Why is it they always seem to have a vivacious woman inside them?It's never a dowdy perimenopausal forty-something, is it

Maybe because they've felt they've had to suppress their so called femininity for so long, when they finally get the chance to do so, they do so in the sterotypical ways?
I say this as a dowdy 40 something bio woman btw!!

You’re right it has nothing to do with thinking or feeling like a woman. It has nothing to do with pink or blue
Being a man or a woman is nothing but biological
I may have breasts and a vagina and I have given birth but I am no more a woman than my neighbour who is a woman but has no breasts (mastectomy) and has never given birth (choice)
We are both still women

Not saying you're not both women, just because someone has no breasts or not given birth doesn't make them less of a woman!

Eh that’s exactly what I just said rosesandraindrops
I really don’t know what you’re trying to say?
Being a woman or a man is not a feeling or your personality. It’s a biological reality.
Liking heels, pink and make up means you like these things and doesn’t mean you are male or female

What is yanbu everyone keeps saying?!!!!!

I know, sorry, can't be arsed to explain further I need to go to bed lol
Being a man or woman is nothing but biological is the bit I was disagreeing with, to me there's more but I definitely agree with you that having no breasts or no children doesn't make you less of a one!

Funny how those who disagree with the biological part can never explain what they mean.. what you want to say is being a woman (or man) is an innate feeling

I feel like me...having breasts doesn’t make me feel more of a woman.. I am okpedro and I just happen to be a woman

because there are people who don't prescribe to traditional gender.

Like pretty much every woman I know. I only know one or two who are happy to be stereotypical women. Even then they've been known to do boy things. Like I dunno, wearing trousers, or changing a wheel on a car.

Basically, not adhering to gender stereotypes doesn't need a name. It's just human. What we should be doing is getting rid of gender stereotypes, then everyone can be who they want.

@TheAlternativeTentacle are you actually a troll?? Your comments are designed to try to irritate. This isn't just your conversation there's like.. other people here...& we aren't obviously not just talking about being physically having male or female genitals are we. Ugh. Don't be thick.

Well, I am talking about the following:
Females - are the ones with large gametes
Males - are the ones with small gametes.

It is literally the basic difference that then goes on to inform every living cell in our bodies.

What is it you think you are talking about? If it isn't biological bodies then what is it?

Being female inside has nothing to do with personality though.
Nothing to do with thinking. Or pink, or blue.
No, I'm not going to define woman before anyone asks as I can't be arsed doing it all over again.
It's just there.

Where it is if it is just there?

if you can't define it you can't legislate for it.

Fact is There is no other distinct word or label/proper explanation for how he is feeling except what he has labelled it as. We use words and labels to describe things as humans, even in ancient times they used symbols - it is how our brains work. So everyone shouting ‘why do you need a label’ it is because that is how we have evolved. We name and label everything in our surroundings including people, behaviour and ideology. We cannot seem to stop doing it. I know there have been anti label movements for years but it doesn’t seem to be working

Nowhere on this thread have I seen a sensible suggestion of what this situation could be labelled as, because everyone is just so obsessed with getting rid of labels - which I just can’t see happening. it is what we have based our societies and civilisation on. If you start to erode labels you can end up with even more problems, although some labels are very harmful (racism etc) we have also fought for the right to use some labels without prejudice such as gay and lesbian.

Some other words we use label words to describe people and relationships: rapist, criminal, wife, husband, boyfriend, partner, daughter, son, mother, father, BAME, conservative, liberal.... the list goes on and on and on

Can anyone come up with something that isn’t ‘get rid of labels?’:

‘I am a man but I don’t feel comfortable within traditional Male stereotypes (which I didn’t create, I was born into), I am also gay, i struggle with my weight, I feel like I don’t fit in, I realise I like to express myself through sensual dance, feminine poses, wear heels, make up and nail varnish but I don’t want to have a sex change. I want to be in the gap between genders as I feel safer and more accepted there’

That is not how we go around describing ourselves. The women on this thread would just say ‘I’m a woman’ to describe and define themselves.

Again and again, you need to challenge the reasons why men are not adapting masculinity to include men who do not fit in to the typical ‘male’ stereotype, not the people who can’t find their way in to it

I just can’t get used to it because for me ‘they/them’ means plural. You can’t just commandeer a word and change it’s meaning! I would be constantly tripping myself up unintentionally.

I never agreed to that! It’s silly.

Nowhere on this thread have I seen a sensible suggestion of what this situation could be labelled as

Fairly sure a few people have talked about gender non conforming. Which would explain the situation without denying actual sex.

Do you know what makes me smile the most about so much of this? Most biological women I know are so run of their feet getting through the day, caring for their family and/or elderly relatives, worrying about the health and well being of everyone around them, that they have zero time to sit and think about themselves to the degree that these individuals do. I mean, whilst Sam is swanning around in his heels later do you think he'd like to pop to mine later and degunge my dishwasher? I'm guessing that's a trapping of womanhood that's just not glamorous enough for them.

Oh, and what Family said yesterday at 8.45am

I think Sam coming out as nonbinary is mostly an attempt to teflon-coat Sam against accusations of being a shit to women he disagrees with. (There were a lot of these accusations, because Sam is indeed a shit to women Sam disagrees with.) Look - Sam can't POSSIBLY be sexist, because Sam isn't a man! In fact, anyone disagreeing with Sam is the villain here! Especially those evil women! Brave, brave Sam!

Sure, Jan.