To think Sam Smith is being ridiculous?

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For asking to be called they/them?

"when people like SS feel completely disconnected from other males, with no where to turn to I think they become perfect prey for people with bigger/scarier agendas. It’s unlikely any other more masculine pop stars can relate to SS or want to offer any support."

I mean he's a pop singer, he's hardly working on the dockyards, is he? Of all the industries you can work in, I'd say music is pretty much the one where fucking with your gender is pretty acceptable.

PookieDo

Indeed. Vulnerable individuals will always be targeted.

I don't know if SS is such an individual, it sounds like he might be confused tho.

I don't think Alok or Travis are in the least bit confused.

In answer to the OP. Yes, yes they are.

The Smiths should sue.

Ok let’s just continue with the personal vitriolic attacks shall we, and not have any kind of meaningful discussion about the topic. How mature and how educational!

@Datun

Confusion makes for a perfect victim I think. Sounds like SS had a lot of therapy and a very difficult journey in their own way... just because someone has money and success doesn’t make them a happy person, it is clear that despite a good career SS is unhappy and confused.

pookie says you who saw fit to have a go at me over a perceived slight.

PookieDo

SS is unhappy and confused.

I don't doubt it. It would appear that a lot of people who say they are non-binary (or trans) are unhappy and confused.

It appears to me that non-binary can cover many circumstances. One would be wanting a label for completely normal, what we used to call, gender bending. Another one is someone who wants to cross dress occasionally, but doesn't like the term.

The damage is in deciding that these behaviours are so binary, that you have to identify as non-binary, in order to display both. It's cementing gender stereotypes as belonging to one sex or the other. You can't be non-binary, unless you are upholding the binary in order to step outside it.

That's why people get so cross. Non-binary behaviour is completely normal for people who do not ascribe behaviours to one sex or the other.

The other thing that worries me is quite how many transactivists push the non-binary narrative, as a thing.

I can't help but be suspicious. Is it so that they can access all areas, and slip effortlessly back into 'normality' whenever necessary? (I'm not saying that is Sam's motivation). But It's such a daft concept, and so unnecessary, I don't know why it's so promoted.

@LiveInAHidingPlace

You are boring me

I don’t know if this comes down to people wanting to be able to explain what is happening to them, because let’s face it as a society we judge and ask rude questions of people. The media write articles and there are long threads on forums discussing people’s clothing choices ‘why is Sam Smith wearing heels? Is he the next Caitlin Jenner?’ And actually asking CJ whether she has had full gender reassignment surgery. The more we ask, the more people seem to talk. I don’t think it is a one way street. The label is thrown out there as a statement but it was already up for discussion - SS didn’t appear to be comforming to a typical Male stereotype, already openly gay and feeling the desire (SS feels courage) to wear women’s shoes.
Perhaps we also need to stop speculating and commenting on what people are doing so much and then they will stop feeling the need to make statements

@LiveInAHidingPlace

You are talking (ranting) to yourself whilst everyone else is having a calm, rational discussion
Go and have a cup of tea and calm down. I’m not listening to what you say because you seem to have lost control of your temper and throwing out offensive comments. I will report you if you carry on

pookie what exactly are you going to report living for? Disagreeing with you?

SS is a narcissistic navel gazer. I don’t doubt he’s unhappy, narcissists always are.

Personally I am scared. I find the whole thing scary. It doesn’t matter that he isn’t a transwoman treating women, this is still a man not understanding how vulnerable a lot of women and children are. I’m a disabled and chronically ill woman and I know there must be plenty of vulnerable women, who feel the same.

People do ask. ALL THE TIME

www.reddit.com/r/popheads/comments/alg4vi/why_does_sam_smith_express_his_queerness_all_over/

www.reddit.com/r/TooAfraidToAsk/comments/7hm38b/does_caitlyn_jenner_have_a_penis/

www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2014/mar/19/trans-people-rude-questions-sex-lives

www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/3542758/caitlyn-jenner-bruce-transition-children-net-worth/

Google the words ‘gay rumours’ it is actually shocking and quite disgusting

Someone just asked me about my pronouns and my ‘type’ on this thread. It’s not private. People demand you answer and explain

No one asked 1970s pop stars why they were wearing huge heels.

Because the answer would be, cos I like them. Not because it makes me feel like a woman.

SS isn’t claiming to be a woman

SS is claiming to be a bit woman sometimes and a bit man sometimes

This is clearly untrue. Which bit is woman exactly? Oh nail varnish on toes and some heels. Right ho.

Does he insist on being lower down the lineup when he feels a bit woman?

Or on less £ when he feels a bit woman?

He managed to accept the award for best male right?

He knows surely that he doesn't get periods, have the risk of pregnancy after sex, he won't get dropped from his label for not wearing skimpy revealing outfits.

He knows all this. He knows we know all this.

He really needs to get help for his mental health issues and stop this nonsense. And stop participating in violent gay sex if that is what has fucked him up.

Chicken and egg

And they did. My dad is 63 and hated glam rock, never understood it, questioned it and found it uncomfortable.

Where did it start where people began to question why, and when people began to want to label it? You cannot know where it began, no one can, you can blindly blame any of the radicals for starting it but it began somewhere, and the media is very heavily to blame in this shit storm. The more liberal we became with accepting homosexuality, the more boundaries were pushed, but more questions were asked

they don't feel either male or female

What does being male or female feel like? See, you either ARE male or female (unless you are inter sex which is rare), there's no feelings specific to your sex. People can feel whatever they want to feel, but 1. don't tell me they are male or female feelings because that's ridiculous and 2.don't tell me you are a woman when you aren't, and try to force your way into our women only spaces.

Point 1. is what's pissed me off with Sam Smith, he says he has a vivacious woman inside his body, then writhes around dancing as if that's what women 'are'. It's bollocks.

And they did. My dad is 63 and hated glam rock, never understood it, questioned it and found it uncomfortable.

Your dad is 63 now? Glam Rock was in the 70s. He is only 10 years older than me.

I'm not quite sure of your point.

What was he uncomfortable about - Bowie putting his arm around another man? That makes him homophobic. It doesn't make Bowie a female.

I am a woman. All my life I've preferred what are traditionally termed 'boys pursuits or things'
Im not confused. I know I'm female. A female who prefers what's usually thought of as male things.
If I was attracted to women sexually, I would just think I'm a female who finds women desirable.
Why people have to make a big thing of all this is puzzling. Accept yourself as you are and learn to not depend on approval from others.

Exactly Limensoda people of either sex can prefer whatever they want, it's fine. There is no need to label yourself the opposite sex to be what you are.