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To Tell Friend To Feed Her Child Properly

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ChilledBee · 15/09/2019 18:04

I have a friend with a four year old son. He's very small for his age and her HV and GP have made suggestions about how to change this. She isn't vegan but eats meat seldom and only shops organic and local. She makes these dishes which are foreign type stews with things like aubergine and squash (I eat/cook these things too) and will sprinkle some feta or another cheese on top. Or something with spinach and lentils. It isn't awful but for an acquired taste. My DH says it Italy seems like a side dish and he is waiting for the joint of slow cooked meat and some potatoes to accompany it. Any meat is organic/free range butcher ordered so very expensive and rarely eaten. She is very much into ethical shopping/farming/eating.

The trouble is, when I see the vegetables,they are often old (she gets a lot of home grown produce from her own allotment or that of friends) so I imagine the nutrients are depleted. Her son barely eats any of the food she gives him and she does worry about that because he's not only small but has some vitamin deficiencies too. But she thinks it has something else going on rather then he just doesn't like the food she makes.

Last week, she had to unfortunately stay in hospital for several days (10) with her mother who was touch and go. Her son stayed with me and even though it was something completely unfamiliar, he settled in well. She gave no dietary instructions so I just fed him like I do my own kids (3,3 and 1) on home cooked meals cooked from scratch (spaghetti bolognese,shepherds pie, burgers and chips) and he wolfed it down. In fact, the first day he came he had seconds and ice cream and jelly afterwards (pudding isn't routine in our house). I am embarrassed to say that I weighed him that night and the day before he went home. He gained 5lbs! My DH felt that I was out of order weighing him but I have to say that seeing him eat like that made me want to prove something I'd suspected all along.

I want to tell her that her son badly needs to eat food he likes and is healthy for a child. She often refers to childhood obesity but I think she underestimates the amount of fat and carbs a growing child needs. I know she feels quite isolated by her HV and GP who have sort of threatened her with SS (she says) but won't refer her for the medical investigations she wants. Her sister had 'failure to thrive' and was later found to have cerebral palsy which contributed to this but it isn't a hereditary condition which could explain her son's small stature. My DH doesn't think she is mentally stable. I think she is precious at best.

Would you say something?

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cantkeepawayforever · 15/09/2019 19:28

What’s so bad about being thin?

There is nothing wrong with being thin (my DS eats like a horse, but is a 6'4" stick of bamboo who is barely visible from sideways on).

There is something wrong with a child who is falling through the centile lines (9 lb 8 at birth is a very high centile line to have fallen down to the 2nd from) and has vitamin deficiencies because they are not eating enough food.

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hsegfiugseskufh · 15/09/2019 19:30

Your diet sounds on track for obesity

Oh give over. I have never heard something so ridiculous.

Mn is weird and full of competitive undereaters.

Everything in moderation. Ops diet sounds fine.

Poor kid is clearly hungry and not eating enough.

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Teddybear45 · 15/09/2019 19:30

I don’t believe that either the GP or HV is threatening social services when he’s at 2% and not being neglected. It sounds like he is being offered healthy food at home but not eating it while he does seem to be eating the unhealthier / blander options offered up by you and presumably other people. That suggests picky eating / eating disorder and the GP would know this and be able to offer up alternatives. You need to remember that people who aren’t white British often have different growth rates and some nutritional deficiencies that they are born with - for example it’s very common for indian / middle eastern boys to be anaemic/ calcium / vitamin d deficient and below the 5th percentile until puberty. Things would need to be very very bad for social services to be involved.

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Kazooboohoo · 15/09/2019 19:31

Some of you need to read the full OP. A Greek stew of aubergine and squash with sprinkled feta sounds yummy and healthy. A tiny portion of that is not healthy. Not when the child gets to OP's house and wolfs down burgers, jelly and ice cream - because he is being starved at home. Even if served nothing but the healthiest vegetable stew, you don't get 5 a day if you only eat a minuscule portion of it. The most healthy food is unhealthy is served in tiny portions.

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AntiHop · 15/09/2019 19:32

How do you know so much about what she cooks every day and how much of it he eats?

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Ithinkmycatisevil · 15/09/2019 19:33

I haven’t read the whole thread, but from what I have read there are some judgy replies.... looking at you Popehilarious

If he really doesn’t like what she’s serving him she needs to be making some changes or the poor kid will forever be starving. OP your diet sounds pretty normal for kids, and far better than a child eating next to nothing!

I’d try to tactfully mention to your friend that her DS seemed to really enjoy the shepherds pie etc while he was at yours and would she like the recipe you used?

Few and far between are the kids that really enjoy the vegetable stews. Some kids will eat anything if they’re hungry enough, but others would rather starve themselves. Unfortunately for friends son seems to be of that type.

Good luck.

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DoctorAllcome · 15/09/2019 19:33

I would wonder why your friend has not been referred to a dietician? Isn’t that normally a first step if a child is under or overweight and with vitamin deficiencies?
Threatening with social services sounds really ott to me.
I think you are a bit judgemental about her cuisine. It sounds very Eastern European to me and kids raised with that food see it as their normal. Would you say the same about an Indian family and talk so disparagingly about curry and rice? I have lots of polish and Hungarian friends and their kids are happy with similar things like beet stew with feta, gnocchi, perogies, etc.

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corinne97 · 15/09/2019 19:33

Sorry but imagine if it was the other way round. One of your relatives was ill in hospital and the friend who was looking after your child weighed him and then said he was overweight but had managed to get him to loose 5 pounds, because of their superior meals.

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Jellybeansincognito · 15/09/2019 19:33

But if she’s been consistently serving that type of food to him from weaning age it is normal to him.

What do you think happens in other countries op? Children starve because the food is too flavourful? No. Stop blaming it on being foreign food.
He doesn’t like it, fair enough- but it’s not for the reasons you’re suggesting.

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TenPenceMix · 15/09/2019 19:33

Nobodyimportant is spot on. I think you did the right thing- I would have done the same.

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Ohflippineck · 15/09/2019 19:34

“Foreign sounding stews?”
Well that’s it then, definitely a wrong ‘un Grin

Not sure burgers, chips, jelly and ice cream are an whole heap better. You really can’t weigh other people’s kids. HV and GP are on it. Maybe concentrate on your own family.

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Spingtrolls · 15/09/2019 19:34

Vegetables that's months old?
How most of it would go really bad a lot quicker than that. Maybe you're still seeing the veg with the dirt on, unlike at the supermarket,

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ChilledBee · 15/09/2019 19:34

@ethelfleda

These rules about carbs and pasta are relevant to adults and overweight children. Not little underweight boys with vitamin deficiencies.

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MotherFuckingLanguages · 15/09/2019 19:34

@ethelfleda not every British person is fat u know..Hmm

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Teddybear45 · 15/09/2019 19:35

@DoctorAllcome - Agreed. OP is lying about the SS involvement. Having experience of this type of SS involvement it would never occur even as a last ditch option unless there were multiple other factors.

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CassianAndor · 15/09/2019 19:35

OP, you’re still sounding really ignorant. There’s nothing wrong with complex flavours for children per se, of course there isn’t. Obviously if it’s child doesn’t like them that’s one thing, but saying children can’t be expected to eat complex flavours is rubbish.

The friends GP and HV may well have valid concerns but it’s hard to take the OP seriously given the guff she’s spouting. Which makes me uniclines to accept her version of this as gospel. She clearly has issues with anything other than traditional British food.

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ChilledBee · 15/09/2019 19:37

@Teddybear45

She's extremely white British. She just likes that type of food.

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AstridAsterson · 15/09/2019 19:37

@ethelfleda @Jellybeansincognito - Don't let reality distract you from your virtue-signalling faux outrage Hmm

I'm a medic, I've worked in Sub-saharan Africa. Pretending that malnutrition isn;t a huge problem there is ridiculous. One of the reasons is that the food available that people can afford tends not to have energy and nutrient dense foods (dairy, red meat) that children in particular need. The reasons people can't access it are complex, but pretending the diet people living in abject poverty eat is superior because it doesn't contain a burger or chips ios grossly offensive.

www.undp.org/content/dam/rba/docs/Working%20Papers/Nutrition%20Challenge.pdf
Most diets, in sub-Saharan Africa consist mainly of cereal or root staple crops, and very little in the way of animal source proteins, micronutrient rich vegetables and fruits, and quality diversity of the food basket. These foods are either not accessible because of high cost, not
locally available, unequally distributed within households or are not considered household
priorities when incomes are not sufficient to meet the needs of a high quality diet [19].


Educate yourselves

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hsegfiugseskufh · 15/09/2019 19:37

jellybeans He doesn’t like it, fair enough
This is the whole point.

He doesnt fucking like it. Hes not eating it. Hes starving.

A good parent would cook healthy meals that he will actually eat.

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Jellybeansincognito · 15/09/2019 19:38

Also, you do realise that most of the apples in the supermarket live in storage for upto a year? Same with quite a few other veggies, even potatoes?

Not everything is picked fresh and sold- perhaps watch food unwrapped.

Veg can last for months if stored properly at home, you shouldn’t be judging that.

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DoctorAllcome · 15/09/2019 19:38

I just read the child has only dropped a couple centiles on the growth chart. Dear lord! That is nothing!
Genetics do play a part. Someone has to be in the bottom 10% for height and weight. So long as he is not underweight for his height, there is no issue other than vitamin deficiencies. Which are honestly common if diet is not varied enough. That’s what supplements and a referral to a dietician are for.

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Spingtrolls · 15/09/2019 19:39

I'm extremely white British and love 'that' type of food. As do my dc's. But they were weaned on whatever I cooked so used to 'that' type.

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Oakmaiden · 15/09/2019 19:40

Thing is, you probably don't have to say anything. the child at some point will probably say "I had burgers with Chilled Bee. They were nice. Can we have burgers." How your friend will react to this is up to her, but it is much more likely to be positive if it comes from him.

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Fresta · 15/09/2019 19:40

I'd like to know if you and your family are a healthy weight OP?

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BlueCornsihPixie · 15/09/2019 19:40

Your posts are confusing because we are having to wade through a lot of your ignorance and judgement

There's nothing wrong with feeding a child forrin food, nothing wrong with stews with things like squash and aubergine. There's no reason a 4 yr old wouldn't like these foods

Nothing wrong with a mostly vegetarian diet either, or a wholly vegetarian diet

You've not really said what you think the actual issue is OP. What is it your think your friend is doing wrong? Is it the lack of meat? Sounds like her meals do contain fat and protein as they contain yoghurt and cheese etc.

I would ignore anything the GP said tbh with regards to nutrition, GPs can be shocking with their dietary advice. I think this is convo between your friend and the dietition. If your friend isn't listening to the dietition why would she listen to you?

You were completely out of order weighing the child. That is completely and utterly overstepping the mark.

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