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Is it a class thing?

389 replies

Pollypenguin01 · 13/09/2019 16:53

I don’t really want to go into the why’s of this question as it’s pretty outing but I’m looking for a average opinion.

Would you ever take a ‘gift’ for the kitchen staff at a restaurant?
Has this always been a thing to do?
Do you have to be of a certain class and in a certain class of establishment for this to be the norm?
If you happen to be a Chef/waiting staff/restaurant owner/etc would you think it very strange for a customer to bring a gift for the chef and cooking staff?

The example of gifts would be, a pack of beer, some mini cakes or doughnuts, some other appropriate food or drink multi pack.

YANBU = God no, I have never heard of this!
YABU = you’re clearly some sort of cretin that doesn’t know how to behave in civilised society!

Please feel free to explain your vote! Grin

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Frangible · 14/09/2019 17:47

We class you as some of our closest friends and understand that having been so ignorant of common protocol you may find our stance comedic but let me debase you of that idea and insist this is normal and indeed expected behaviour when dining at a better class of restaurant.

I'm going to assume he means 'disabuse' rather than 'debase', but either way, it really, really isn't. Charitably, is it possible that someone has played a practical joke on his obviously desperate social climbing tendencies and told him this was an unspoken rule? And that you are supposed to down port like a shot?

Some people are desperately ill-at-ease in restaurants, and probably do think there's some unspoken set of rules that those in the know adhere to. My dad, despite the fact we've taken him to lots of expensive restaurants down the years, still leaps up the second he has eaten the last forkful of pudding (everyone else is still eating, as he's a bolter), rushes to the desk and tries to pay the politely baffled front of house person, apparently under the impression that this is what you're supposed to do. My MIL is terrified of waiters, and will order her food speaking to me or DH in an undertone, so we can pass it on to the again politely baffled waiter, because apparently we speak Special Waiter Language. My mother has a special 'restaurant voice' she uses to waiters which is several social registers above her own.

I bet it wouldn't be hard to convince any of them that this was an unspoken but unbreakable rule.

OP, you may also pass onto your friend that in my glossy London days, I used to eat in a lot of very high-end places. I've had excellent service, including getting a table without a reservation in a fully-booked restaurant, extra dishes and drinks (sometimes something new being worked on by the kitchen, sometimes from the staff meals, which can be fabulous in some restaurants), and, on one occasion, being taken out of a long queue that included a famous TV chef by the maitre d' and taken straight to a table when I didn't have a reservation, all by being nice to front of house and waiters, tipping well (but not insanely), recommending them to other people, and really appreciating the food.

I kind of enjoyed bypassing the annoying TV chef.

I have never brought anyone a doughnut.

FinallyHere · 14/09/2019 17:52

Pure batshit.

The clues are that regardless of the circumstances, if you really want people to 'go half's ' on a gift you really need to get their buy-in in advance. Without agreement upfront you cannot expect people to cough up.

As it happens, I have been known to take chocolates to the catering staff at work. The whole operation is cashless, payments are taken direct from our accounts and there is. no opportunity to tip.

Close to Christmas I take in a bowl of festive chocolates. I only ever choose ones that come individually wrapped so they can be ears on the spot or taken home.

This thread has been s joy to read.
Happy Sigh.

Motherinlawsdung · 14/09/2019 17:56

It is a sad fact that the UK is still a class-ridden society and this makes some people feel compelled to try to escape from the class they feel they currently belong to by adopting all manner of strange behaviours. This couple are beyond deluded. Every aspect of their behaviour as described here is utterly trashy.
The really classy way to behave is always, always to try make other people feel relaxed and comfortable.

Frangible · 14/09/2019 17:56

I'm now imagining him wandering around Le Manoir aux Quat' Saisons and asking front of house where he should hand in The Doughnuts/The Homemade Chutney. Or does he hand The Gift to the waiting staff at the table and imagine them proceeding solemnly to the kitchen and revealing it dramatically to a bunch of beaming sous-chefs from under one of those silver-service domes?

And then the entire kitchen brigade comes out, possibly doing the conga, to thank him, bearing special delicacies? Grin

popehilarious · 14/09/2019 18:02

Send him a cheque for £6
then cancel the cheque

Actually please do my earlier idea of gifting something homemade in place of the £6. Maybe peruse the Facebook Tat thread for inspiration?

Please please ask him if he has a toilet brush and whether he takes his shoes off indoors so we have the definitive answer of what the Hupper Classes of the Hestablishment do.

Diva66 · 14/09/2019 18:04

Am now picturing handing Gordon Ramsay a bag of Krispy Kremes 🤣🤣🤣

popehilarious · 14/09/2019 18:04

Or, as he's so keen on blagging free food, send him this helpful guide:
www.savethestudent.org/save-money/food-drink/how-to-get-free-food-as-a-student.html

DoveBlue · 14/09/2019 18:05

They are the crazy uncouth ones. I have worked in a restaurant before and never heard of people giving gifts to kitchen staff. Then again perhaps it wasn't up market enough!

Frangible · 14/09/2019 18:07

'Go on, Gordon, have a Krispy Kreme! Have one now! Pass them out to all your brigade! In the middle of service! What do you mean, " Fuck off, you loon!"? Don't you know anything about how to behave in high-end restaurants? Well, I must say, Gordon, I'm very disappointed in your lack of high-class savoir-faire. I won't be coming here again!'

stucknoue · 14/09/2019 18:08

I have heard of it, but a ridiculously frequent customer (2-3 times a week for 10+ years!) she took gifts for all the staff when she went into a nursing home near her children (200 miles away), the restaurant staff had looked out for her and even had her kids telephone number. Exceptional

popehilarious · 14/09/2019 18:08

Did he get his wife breast implants AND a Dyson for Christmas?

Vivianebrookskoviak · 14/09/2019 18:13

That's a nice thought.

Never heard of it in practice though.

Kitchen staff and chefs get nothing above their pay in most places so it is a nice thought.

I personally don't agree with tipping unless all the staff get a cut of the tip.

exaltedwombat · 14/09/2019 18:22

Nothing wrong with a gift. But giving food is rather coals to Newcastle?

Pollypenguin01 · 14/09/2019 18:26

Did he get his wife breast implants AND a Dyson for Christmas?

Gosh no! Absolutely not a Dyson.
Wife has said before they are for upstarts and people that live in ex council houses. She will have a Miele and nothing else.

I thought she was joking at the time but apparently I have been incredibly naive about their behaviour.

(Disclaimer I have nothing at all against council houses ex or not! I also own a Dyson)

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MrBlobbyWasTrulyAwful · 14/09/2019 18:27

Text a link to the thread. Perhaps they’ll understand then why they keep losing friends!

Sashkin · 14/09/2019 18:30

As it happens, I have been known to take chocolates to the catering staff at work

Totally different, I get the admin team at work occasional treats, despite not being i the admin team myself (because they never get access to the ward goodies). These are people you know, who you see every day, and you are presumably not giving them a gift because you want a freebie yourself, but because you like them as people.

This is more like gifting the guy behind the counter in Greggs, who you don’t know from Adam, a plate of mashed potato in the hopes you’ll get 2for1 on the sausage rolls in return. Completely weird and random.

PickTheLock · 14/09/2019 18:35

Didn't he mention the £300? 🤔

popehilarious · 14/09/2019 18:36

Polly The dyson thing is from an episode of the Royle Family. "Roger" banging on about all his money when visiting a working-class family. Explaining how he's a self-made man, where he was brought up was "as bad as this"... You need to watch it!

Pollypenguin01 · 14/09/2019 18:37

Mutual friends told me yesterday that they took china plates and bone handled cutlery to McDonald’s when they popped there after an afternoon out. Apparently they always carry around plates/cutlery and plastic champagne flutes in the boot just incase they have to eat out. They literally walked into McDonald’s and ordered their food, took it to a table while the wife laid their utensils out then ate the meal with knives and forks.
I don’t think they took the champagne flutes though.

I know this makes them sound even more batshit but we didn’t know about this episode and honestly other than a few annoying comments we just ignored they seemed fairly normal, although looking back little episodes do make a bigger picture.

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Pollypenguin01 · 14/09/2019 18:38

Didn't he mention the £300? 🤔

Do you mean from my text?
He texted back and said I wasn’t taking him seriously, I did copy the text here.

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mathanxiety · 14/09/2019 18:42

Frangible Grin Grin Grin

Motherinlawsdung · 14/09/2019 18:44

Aww c’mon this is not believable any more. But v funny OP!

Lou12124 · 14/09/2019 18:45

What's wrong with a tip?!!

popehilarious · 14/09/2019 18:48

Oh come on! Grin

RightYesButNo · 14/09/2019 18:48

@tierraJ A bottle of Dom Perignon Rose and your firstborn.

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