To think Brexit has damaged the country's mental health?

[KennDodd]

I know it's damaged mine but my job was under threat (colleagues lost their jobs instead) because of Brexit so not surprising. I think Brexit has caused huge stress, anxiety and anger in the country. David Cameron should be ashamed.

I don't think a single one of them deserves their job. A huge clear out is desperately needed. The whole lot of them are self-serving incompetent pillocks.

Actually, if there's one thing this fiasco has highlighted, it's that there's an extremely broad spectrum of both service and competence among MPs. I agree that some of them - mostly on the Conservative benches - are self-serving and obtuse, but there have been others - on both sides of the house - who have astonished me with their intelligence, adaptability, commitment to public service and sheer bloody hard work. If our mental health is suffering, I shudder to think how theirs is holding up, what with the workload, the worry, the abuse and death threats, and the appalling sense of responsibility. No wonder so many of them are throwing in the towel at the next election. I wish they wouldn't, but I can't blame them. Anyone who tars them all with the same brush just demonstrates their ignorance.

All the people saying they fear Corbyn getting in and the damage he could cause are they actually blind to see what the hell is going on now?
People dying through austerity, poverty increased, hatred drummed up against anyone, treatment of the disabled and the pure shit storm that is Brexit and people fear Corbyn!
It literally is unbelievable that people are dying right now through poverty or suicide thanks to this government but no they saving their outrage for someone who isn't in power.
Why don't you speak up now against what is going on at present?

longwayoff

When the bags from the shredders have safely been disposed of. We’ll get what’s left.

I can understand the immigration issue even if it was somewhat within the government control.

The main reason people I know were anti immigration was because of the pressure on local services caused by increased numbers of people using them.

Yes, the government could have spent more money on increasing these services however that required the money to come from somewhere.

And they weren't of a mind to want to pay more taxes to provide services to people who are not from this country.

its akin to being asked to provide food and lodging for your neighbours children when they had a perfectly good home in the first place.

Yes, but I guess there is always something to worry about anyway.

Cheers oflippineck, apparently - Dominic Grieve on radio said this just after I posted - they should be provided by Wednesday pm. He sounded as hopeful as you and I that this will happen .

No miaowing, it's akin to watching your neighbours and their children drown while you stand, drink in hand, looking out from your balcony cheering as people in boats poke them further under.

Miaowing
Your ignorance is staggering considering the number of immigrants staffing our public services.

Your ignorance is staggering considering the number of immigrants staffing our public services.

What do you mean?

I've seen it suggested elsewhere that the reason Liverpool voted Remain is because they don't read The Sun there and arent as exposed to as much right wing bias. I think that just show's that a lot of people are still very influenced by what the media spout, hence the spiel about Corbyn being a 'commie' when he's obviously not.

I think it's made society in general less considerate, more aggressive, less tolerant...a sort of collective reduction in the quality of our mental health. It's immeasurable but a very sad extra kick in the teeth from Brexit

@CrapTVAddict it must be difficult to be see melodramatic. If you want to see people actually dying en mass look at Venezuela and then look at how euphoric Corbyn is at the shot show over there. Then you will understand why people fear him.

@Cheeseoncrumpets many people don’t see a meaning distinction between farfar left hardcore socialist and communist and to be fair they’re really not that different. And then there was that nasty business with the KGB back in the day. Easy mistake to make. And then of course a lot of women are concerned because he has allowed blatant sexism to flourish in his party. And a lot of Jewish people are concerned about the antisemetism he’s allowed to also flourish. Between sane people with an understanding of economics and it’s relationship with human rights, uppity women who seem to want equal rights and Jewish people who don’t seem to want to be put down for their race I would say the numbers that are easily mistaken as to his brand of hard left are a minority.

think it's made society in general less considerate, more aggressive, less tolerant...a sort of collective reduction in the quality of our mental health. It's immeasurable but a very sad extra kick in the teeth from Brexit

For those of us old enough to remember, all that was happening throughout Labour's 13 years of power too! Brexit was the consequence, not the cause. It wasn't all milk and honey under Labour (well, not outside London anyway!).

Not sure from your post if you are saying I am melodramatic due to typo but there is nothing melodramatic being appalled at the deaths caused by this government.
The way you have wrote actually implies you don't believe people are dying due to this government which is incorrect.
Of course I'm horrified by the events in Venezuela or anywhere else where there is unnecessary deaths but it's bizarre people are ignoring what's going on under their noses

@Kazzyhoward

Labour's 13 years was very London-Centric with the Metropolitan Elite champagne socialists running the country. That's why whole regions (such as the north) were ignored, thus crime increased

The crime stats appear to disagree with you.

Pretty sure Labour were accused of 'bribing' voters in Wales and the North of England as well. I certainly saw money being spent on improving the poorer parts of Wales. And, while you can argue about the amount the minimum wage was set at, it was Labour who brought it in, (and the Tories were against it at the time), and it must have helped many on the lowest wages. I knew plenty of people working for atrociously poor pay before it was introduced.

I'm from a poor area, I saw things improve after 1997. There were many problems with the Blair government, and they could have done more, but they did not completely abandon the poor the way the Tories have.

You may be interested in this link Boggles. Most of the Jewish people I know and work with recognise accusations of antisemitism within the Labour party for the smear tactic they clearly are. The Conservative party is at least as antisemitic if not more, as is British society as a whole, but, even so, the UK is less antisemitic than most other nations. The Conservative party is considerably more racist and islamophobic than the Labour party. I boggle at what kind of self-hatred leads Muslims, Jews or women to play an active role in the Conservative party. There is nothing in it for them.

And I agree, TVAddict. The government's polling position is baffling, but presumably is evidence that all the non-politically engaged sheeple who voted for Brexit in the first place are still noodling around in the fog of their own ignorance. I've always thought that everyone should vote at every opportunity, but I now wonder if people who are so politically uninterested that they fail to vote in (say) 3 consecutive general elections should forfeit their right to vote in referenda, which typically deal with more complex and specialised political matters. The truth is that anyone who was genuinely anti-EU (rather than just overdosing on trash tabloid journalism) would have bothered to vote in the AV referendum so as to get more UKIP MPs into Westminster, but the reality is that hardly any bugger did.

The main reason people I know were anti immigration was because of the pressure on local services caused by increased numbers of people using them

I don't understand this argument, Devon and Cornwall voted to leave, there is little EU immigration and in our schools there is, according to my DD just 1 or 2 Polish kids, when i go to to the GPs, it is full of the elderly (all english)
But when i was Derriford hospital, i was looked after by EU citizens :)

I think perhaps we need to face the fact that a lot of people in the UK are racist.

Genuine racism is pretty indefensible but I'm always a bit at accusations of Islamophobia. No religion should be beyond criticism and people seem much less ready to condemn criticism of say the Catholic church than of Islam.

I kind of agree with Christopher Hitchens on many aspects of the latter - it's not a very tolerant religion or one that treats women particularly well, and didn't 50% of Muslims think homosexuality should be banned when surveyed about the matter?

The reason people don't talk about it IRL is that it causes tension between friends and family with opposite views. I for one don't want to lose friends over something neither of us caused or have any control over.

Labour didn't ignore the regions, the money poured into education and hospitals was high, not high enough but it never is!

London, through its FS generates huge amounts of money, it would be odd if they didn't get the lion's share...... or are you suggesting we tax the very wealthy far more? you know like Labour want too lol!

Taking a critical stance about aspects of Islam is not the same as Islamophobia. Just as having criticisms of the Catholic church is not the same as hating Catholics and telling them to go back where they came from.

It is damaging but the electorate voted the Tories in, they also voted for Brexit so the leavers are getting what they deserve whilst everyone gets dragged down too.

I think avhugebironybofcthis is not only do the Tories abandon the poor; they create poverty. They make people poorer and create a gatred of the poor in order to protect the elite and status quo.
They convince us all that the class system is ok. It's not.

Hatred even.