To think Brexit has damaged the country's mental health?

[KennDodd]

I know it's damaged mine but my job was under threat (colleagues lost their jobs instead) because of Brexit so not surprising. I think Brexit has caused huge stress, anxiety and anger in the country. David Cameron should be ashamed.

Notice how quiet Cameron has gone? He's creeping around somewhere like the little destructive mouse that he is. Where is David Cameron... anyone????

@iwunderwhy he's not that quiet and he's just released his autobiography! There is a section justifying his referendum decision apparently.

He's quite brave to be lazy Chung his book just now...or incredibly fucking stupid. Still good fuel for when the power goes off and we need to burn stuff to keep warm

Just wanted to say that I work in the arts and the 1997-2010 Labour government invested great resources in the arts outside London in a programme called Renaissance in the Region. It was excellent. Now after nearly 10 years of Conservative government the cuts have very much damaged this sector.

Oh and after all the Tories have done fearing Corbyn? A well mannered person with a moderate democratic socialist manifesto? Why should one be scared? The Labour Party has obviously some limitations but it's so much more appealing than the alternative, which is based on hatred of the other, fear and greed!

Cittadina moderate? don’t think so

He’s a communist, wants to end private property, private freedom, wants to disarm the UK, sees Hugo Chavez, Maduro and Castro as role models.... modern?!

Labour has no interest in women's rights.that's why I'll never vote for them. Corbyn and McDonnell both promised consultation on Self ID and the NEC adopted it without that.
They also have a bunch of idiots on their front bench, and keep decent Labour MPs on the back row. If they run the party like that, just think how they'll run the country.

He’s a communist, wants to end private property, private freedom, wants to disarm the UK, sees Hugo Chavez, Maduro and Castro as role models

God I read some bollocks on here but that is way up there. Where is your evidence for any of this? I am no particular fan of Labour or Corbyn but this is just such ludicrous scaremongering. Have you really fallen for the Tory propaganda so totally that you would come out with "wants to end private property?" What, including his own? Come on!

Let me guess, based on the fact that a 70 year old man joined the communist party at university 50 years ago, as was then very trendy and what virtually all university students did, including my dad who's a Tory-voting accountant.

I don't warm to him and think he should step down but, really, who is scared of "commies" in 2019?

I don't think he's a communist. I think he's incompetent.
But McDonnell has said that they are considering giving private tenants the right to buy. Which does threaten private property rights.

@Findumdum1 giving tenants the right to buy at a huge discount from private landlords (and then charging capital gains tax should the LL still manage to make some sort of gain) is as communist a policy as you can get short of forcing LLs to give their properties directly to the State. Forcing people to lose their incomes/pension/provision for care in later life (and creating a house price crash as a result) is, is ... well, words fail me.

To answer the OPs question, yes I do. We all seem to have become much angrier and this is spilling into other areas of life (there is a current thread about vets on here, and the vitriol is astoishing).

Personally, I have decided to stop arguing with people about Brexit on SM as it is not doing my mental health any good.

I mean I do agree with you, not I think you are BU!

Regarding this right to buy potential policy, I haven’t understood how it would come about? How will the landlords be “forced” to do this? Genuine question because it worries me as well (not that I am a landlord).

@thecatneuterer

Its not Labour party policy, the discount hasn't even been decided and neither has their CGT level either.
Labour do not want to disarm the UK, they are committed to Trident and to maintain spending on conventional forces.

People bang on about Labour s ideas yet do not worry that Ian Duncan Smith wants to increase retirement age to 75, its the Cons that ncreased womens retirement from 60 to 65, mens from 65 to 67/68.... whats another few years?

Labours ideas get full and scary coverage on uk media, the Cons do not get this level of scrutiny... wonder why?

Well if Labour wants to confiscate private property I'd like to bet their are European laws to protect us against that. Oh, wait... the Tories are taking us out of Europe and hate European courts.

I don't think Corbyn has ever been a member of the Communist Party!

@whatshallIdo1 the proposal is (and it's true, it hasn't yet become official policy) that tenants who have been in a property for three years (and of course LL won't be able to evict at the three year mark as Section 21 is being removed) will be able to apply to buy the house they live in at a 33 per cent discount to a maximum of 80,000 ish outside London and £110,000 inside London. The value of the house would be decided by government. The LL would then pay tax on any capital gain.

So for example - one of my houses. Bought 25 years ago for £60,000. Now worth say £400,000. I could be forced to sell. Supposing house prices remain stable (they won't). It would probably be 'valued at say £350,000 (the shadow chancellor already said that the valuation wouldn't necessarily be at market rate). On which I would have to give a discount of 110,000. So I would get £240,000. I would then pay 40 percent capital gains on £180,000. So in total I would end up with around £170,000 on a house worth £400,000. And that's assuming house prices remain stable. In reality there would be such a rush to sell (the most obvious thing to do for any LLs with less equity) that house prices would plummet. I'd be lucky to end up with £100,000.

Not only would this be horribly unfair, but it would remove the incomes and pensions from literally millions of people who would eventually become a burden on the state when they would otherwise have been large tax payers. I know LLs are disliked on MN and I'm sure many people would love to see this happen, but not many people would like the affects of a huge house price crash. And how people who need to rent would get on I've no idea.

The other effect it would have is to stop all investment and improvements by LLs in their current properties. Instead of putting around a third of my profits each year into improvements I would only do the absolute essentials if this policy were law. After all who in their right mind would spend money making a property nicer when it might be taken off them at any time? And who would want to make it more desirable to buy?

Yes, I think our individual and collective mental health has been damaged and it's indicated by some of the intemperate and ill-informed views expressed in this thread, where belief expects to receive credence equal to accredited fact.

OMFG I am not hundred percent keen on Corbyn but the comments on here make me want to join not just the Labour Party but Momentum!

Also:

right to buy = encouraging people to own private property = capitalism
communism = no private property

Where is 'right to buy' a 'communist' policy?

Also:

can we please discuss actual labour party Policy and Manifesto and not something you have read on the Daily Heil or that your neighbour told you whilst dog walking - thank you!

Cittadina - the right to buy becomes a communist policy when it is compulsory purchase at a huge loss from original owners who are private individuals, not Councils or HAs. It is forcibly taking property from owners against their will.

can we please discuss actual labour party Policy and Manifesto and not something you have read on the Daily Heil or that your neighbour told you whilst dog walking - thank you!
Thanks for the sneer, but the FT is the source. No, it isn't policy yet, but McDonnell is publicly talking about it becoming policy.

Oh come on! Show me where compulsory purchase is Labour, or any political party in the UKs stated or actual policy. Show me any law or proposed law that would let that happen. The only political party currently risking a massive house price crash are the current conservative government who are hell bent on taking us out of Europe with no deal, led by an egomaniac with a massive personal agenda (making sweeping comparisons to bygone politiacl parties? suspending parliament for his own ends, Hitlers fascim in the 30s anyone?)

Incidentally, much as a house price drop would be inconvenient for people like the PP who were lucjy enough to be able to buy a house for 5 figures when a couple of their houses are affected and their retirement stash is slightly dented, the majority of people in the country who dont own property and have no retirement fund of pensions would be very happy about that.

Gone2far you are welcome - however you will be pleased to hear that JMcD cannot make party policy. Labour Party policy needs to be supported by CLPs (constituency labour parties) in the country and then voted at conference, and then discussed again before it becomes Party manifesto. So, you see, this conjecture it is a bit Daily Heil at this stage.

As other PP have said - let us discuss real labour party policy, with clear references to the manifesto and not ... well I have already said that haven't i?

@Findumdum1 Google is your friend here. It was a proposal by John McDonald. The proposal is to incorporate it in Labour Party Policy, but this hasn't yet been done. There has been a lot of discussion about whether or not it would be legal and the upshot seems to be that it probably would but I didn't understand the ins and outs of that.

I'm happy to go back to talking about the threat of Brexit though :)