To think Brexit has damaged the country's mental health?

[KennDodd]

I know it's damaged mine but my job was under threat (colleagues lost their jobs instead) because of Brexit so not surprising. I think Brexit has caused huge stress, anxiety and anger in the country. David Cameron should be ashamed.

what was hysterical and over-reacting?

I'd say calling another poster horrible and unkind does it. Especially when the post was nothing of the kind. You disagreed with it, that's all, but instead of putting together an argument you waded in with insults.

...which perfectly demonstrating the point they were making

im frightened i will lose my job because of brexit.

its not brexit.

thats what passes as kindness does it?

No one I know talks about Brexit

I don't recognise this at all. Everyone I know talks about it endlessly, as do all my children and their friends (ages spanning secondary school to uni). We are all worried stupid, partly about the direct ramifications of leaving the EU, and the extreme fallout if we crash out without a deal, but also more generally about the lurch to the far right in British politics.

Many of the people I know - including us - are looking to get out of the UK now, via work, via family connections, via any means possible. The parallels with the 1930s are striking and alarming, but this time we won't be on the right side of history.

In some ways, accepting the extreme and appalling nature of things is helping our mental health, as before we started making plans to get out the uncertainty was killing me. I believed for a long time that Brexit wouldn't actually happen, but that seems impossible now and even if by some miracle Article 50 is revoked, Britain is toxic now anyway.

@timshelthechoice
Spot on

FWIW - I’m in ‘the North’ we talk about it A LOT here. But it’s not mentioned much (if at all) in open days because no one knows what’s going to happen and we have to be very careful what is said because we can’t give out false information.

its a fascinating approach:

im frightened of medical shortages of a no deal brexit.

no. its not brexit that will cause the shortages that you are worried about. its actually people being unkind.

Today A remainer colleague at work was trying to explain to a nodealer colleague how bad things might be. Brave or stupid I thought - they nearly came to blows. I am very careful not to raise it at work but I am seething about it all inside. I feel quite obsessed about it and I don’t think it’s a healthy obsession!

Yanbu my anxiety has got much worse since all this uncertainty in our country. I just feel like people are getting really right wing and selfish and I keep worrying about my children's futures.

helmet you called another poster horrible and unkind. Didn't you? Just because of an opinion they held (which demonstrably wasn't horrible and unkind, just disagreed with yours).

I regularly buy meds from Indian pharmacies. They're extremely cheap and high quality if you know where to shop. Admittedly, this may not be viable in every case.

helmet you called another poster horrible and unkind. Didn't you?

go back and read it- i said it was a horrible and unkind attitude which it is.

so many people worried sick about brexit - their jobs/their rights/their meds/their children.

and brexiteers are like 'nah, theyre not, its nothing to do with brexit'

unbelievable.

I think it has been damaging for a lot of people, mostly those that understand some of the implications of Brexit.

For that those that have been living in cloud cuckoo land for the last three years, there will probably be a moment in the not too distant future when the penny finally drops and they realise they can no longer pretend it's all great and that they might be responsible. The less compassionate ones will just shift blame, but some people are going to suffer some mental torture over what they've done.

I was incensed for months after the vote. Now I have become hardened and think 'sod it let the shit hit the fan I've got money in the bank and the only way people will now understand is if they fall on hard times'. I know that's probably wrong but I couldn't stay an angry remainer to protect my own MH.

Your vote doesn't count because of our voting system big. Which is annoying - I'm in the same position . But it's different from asking all voters a question and saying you'll act on the answer then passing legislation to enable this, then standing in a GE saying you'll act of it.
And then saying it's too difficult.
As I said before, the ineptitude of our MPs is staggering. Topped by them spending 90 minutes of business flattering John Bercow this afternoon. They really have no idea.

We weren't talking about any of that though Gone we were talking about people voting and their votes not resulting in representation in Parliament. You pointed out that Ukip voters were not ending up with Ukip MPs and I pointed out that traditional voters often live in areas where their votes count for nothing. That is part of our FPTP system and has been accepted for years. I don't see why we have to pander to Ukip voters because they don't like it. In the end they've found a way around it anyway since they have infiltrated the Tory party to such an extent that it's become Ukip lite.

The real problem we have in this country is the ownership of the press by a small group of tax-avoiding people which allows them to pump out propaganda day after day. This steady drip, drip, drip of their lies and misinformation has led to many people thinking all the woes of this country have been caused by the EU. We may very well No Deal but some way down the line (when it's too late to save the NHS probably) these pernicious lies will be exposed and the anger will be huge.

Well said Big and also your post about parliamentary democracy v mob rule

My opinion is everyone seemed to be surviving perfectly fine with us as part of the EU and the real problems lie within the country and people that have to claim UC and things like that and disabled people are clearly suffering the most yet that is an in-house thing within this country that won't change with us leaving. We are under a conservative government, this how they roll. So why are people getting on their high horses about taking a stroll down to the local school/community centre to make a vote? Because that's literally all they did and these hardcore Brexiteers aren't giving a hoot about peoples jobs or the millions of EU people that moved here. All they care about is themselves and getting what they 'voted for'. Give me a break, the whole thing is a joke. It would make me very happy if they just said F it to the whole thing to be honest.

Mark my words, as soon we leave it will be back to the working class being worked into the ground with 2 weeks holidays a year, crap maternity leave and whatever else. With no one to take the conservative party by the balls and say 'these people are human', it will only be viable living here being rich!

My opinion is everyone seemed to be surviving perfectly fine with us as part of the EU and the real problems lie within the country and people that have to claim UC and things like that and disabled people are clearly suffering the most yet that is an in-house thing within this country that won't change with us leaving.

The anti-EU feeling was building throughout Labour's 13 years of power, so that wasn't anything to do with the Tory's, UC, etc. Perhaps more to do with Brown's "bigotted woman" comment and Blair's "rub the nose of the Right in diversity" when he failed to put controls on immigration (the controls that other EU countries imposed but Blair chose not to!).

Labour's 13 years was very London-Centric with the Metropolitan Elite champagne socialists running the country. That's why whole regions (such as the north) were ignored, thus crime increased, employment opportunities decreased, etc. That was all BEFORE the evil Tories came to power!!

Labour are as much to blame, if not more, than the Tories, for the current fiasco.

Waiting for proposals for capital punishment and conscription, and any other populist but really stupid notion. Nonetheless chunks of our dim GBP will go for them.

The ineptitude of our MPs is staggering. Topped by them spending 90 minutes of business flattering John Bercow this afternoon. They really have no idea.

The more I see of the fools in Government, the more I'd like to see the whole lot of them sacked and a general election to replace them all, with the proviso that previous/current MPs are not eligible to stand as candidates. I don't think a single one of them deserves their job. A huge clear out is desperately needed. The whole lot of them are self-serving incompetent pillocks.

Agree, kazzyhoward

The ineptitude of our MPs is staggering. Topped by them spending 90 minutes of business flattering John Bercow this afternoon. They really have no idea.
Absolutely agree, they're farting about wasting time and wittering on about their pet projects while complaining about Parliament being shut down.

I think Parliament has done its job to protect us from a very poor decision and the executive, the parallels to what happened in Germany in the 30s are uncanny, only they pandered to the far right.

We had an election in 2017, like the country, parliament is divided and we had a PM who put her party before the country.

Brexit could have been successfully gone ahead but it needed planning and at least a EFTA/EAA stepping stone, it is not possible to just walk away overnight from 45 years of close economic and political ties, plus the complication of NI.

I agree with the OP, we are a very damaged nation now and i can't see anyway out of it, GE PV or Revoke, whatever the result will lead to even more anger.

Cameron should be put on trial for what he has done but he wont, he'll get a Knighthood in few years times.

The more I see of the fools in Government, the more I'd like to see the whole lot of them sacked and a general election to replace them all, with the proviso that previous/current MPs are not eligible to stand as candidates. I don't think a single one of them deserves their job. A huge clear out is desperately needed. The whole lot of them are self-serving incompetent pillocks.

Who do you want to sack them?