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To cancelled DD7’s trip to build a bear with grandparents

149 replies

SpikyButt · 07/09/2019 22:18

Sorry, long and rambly.

My DD2 is turning 7 in a few weeks.

She is extremely challenging at the moment.
Refusing to do as asked, from getting up in the morning, to getting dressed, brushing teeth, getting out of the house without a strop. She attacks her sister, who isn’t blameless either, we’ve had problems with her hurting other kids at school, her behaviour at school isn’t terrible but does ‘require improvement’. She gets angry and shouts a lot when asked to do things, just getting her to write a few sentences for her homework today was a couple of hours of screaming and crying despite my staying completely calm (which I often fail at). But the main issue concerning this AIBU is her constant destroying of toys and defacing other people’s property.

She cuts all the hair off her dolls, draws all over dolls, teddies, furniture in her room, pulls arms off dolls Etc. She likes to make potions and so several times I’ve caught her having taken toiletries from the bathroom and made a god awful mess in her bed. She draws on her sheets, her body, she once trimmed her eyelashes with scissors.

I know, I should keep everything out of her reach but she s crafty and finds and hides things. And do I really have to lock up all my toiletries from a nearly 7 year old?!

Anyway, my parents took my older to daughter to the Build a Bear Workshop for her 7th birthday, spent about £150 on her, then extra in the following weeks. They want to do the same for DD2.

We have talked about it a few times over the last few months and I had made it clear that I didn’t think it was a good idea, as she destroys or defaces pretty much ALL of her toys, plus she refuses to tidy up her toys so I periodically do a sweep and remove things. She doesn’t understand the value of things, or possible just doesn’t give a damn, isn’t it sending the wrong message?
Though I guess us buying her birthday presents is the same?

Yesterday my mum asked when would be a good time to take her to Build a Bear.
I said I thought we’d decided that wasn’t a good idea while she’s still destroying everything.
She said, “oh I know, but it’s not fair, she knows now”
So why did you say anything, then?! I hadn’t mentioned it at all to her.

I’m really quite annoyed, why does it have to be THIS birthday, why not next birthday when she’s hopefully better? DD2 has NO IDEA when her sister went, she didn’t even care much about the damn bear til my mum told her recently.
I realise I’m probably being petty and controlling but it annoys me that they just decided amongst themselves after we spoke about it.

This evening, after a long battle trying to get her to brush her teeth and stop annoying her sister, I came so close to threatening to cancel Build a Bear.

That’s another thing that my mum does, though.

She has before threatened DD with removing of outings that have nothing at all to do with her, and that she has no right to interfere with, such as a Rainbow’s trip and a Birthday party.
If I threaten something, I always follow through, these were things she had no control over and I would be left to carry out the ‘punishment’ on her behalf, making me the bad guy, again, because she used that to try to control her.

So, while I feel that’d be a horrible thing to do, my Mum threatens her with things she has no business with so why shouldn’t I? Especially after I told her no in the first bloody place?!

Meh. I can see I’m being petty, and it’s very unlikely I would cancel the trip unless DD2 did something especially bad, I’m just annoyed, mostly at my mother who I apparently have unresolved issues with that I never seem to be able to place.

But who is BU here?
Her for trying to do something nice for her granddaughter despite me telling her to wait a year,
Or me for being annoyed and potentially cancelling it if DD keeps being imbloodypossible?

OP posts:
venusmay · 08/09/2019 03:45

I would maybe delay the treat and see it as something your dd can work towards.

Is there anything happening at school that would explain her behaviour? If you’ve exhausted all other possible reasons for her behaviour then see the build a bear as a reward that she can earn good behaviour for.

It’s exhausting when they are this age,my ds is also 7 and he is blooming hard work.

Tableclothing · 08/09/2019 08:29

I think you should take dd2 to the GP. In the meantime, think about positive behaviour strategies. It sounds like as a family, you're kind of stuck in a bit of a vicious circle at the minute (bad behaviour, threat, bad behaviour, punishment, bad behaviour...). The book The Incredible Years by Carolyn Webster - Stratton is really good.

londonrach · 08/09/2019 08:34

What everyone says. Different issues. Get help for your dd. She sounds very unhappy. Maybe you need some time with her to find out whats happening if she tell you.

sugarplumfairy28 · 08/09/2019 08:44

OP your daughter sounds an awful lot like mine, and my 8 year old DD is undergoing diagnostics for a whole host of neurological disorders. She has no respect for property or belongings, has some serious boundary problems, homework I just don't bother with anymore, I hit the limit at 7 hours of screaming, remaining calm (which was like torture) every room being smashed up, she didn't eat dinner, and it was well gone midnight before we could breath - and the homework still doesn't get done. She doesn't go to school reliably. She ruins her own toys, has cut her own hair (lopped off about 6 inches and then complained she hates short hair).

This year we had to deny DD a birthday party because of her boundary problems, and the fact it would very likely be heartbreaking as I don't think anyone would have come.

If you are concerned about what your DD would do to the shop, the stock etc then you are not BU by saying no. If she is likely to only wreck a present bought by your parents then actually I'd say let them take her, let them see with their own eyes what you are saying, but you are Mum! you know best so go with your gut instinct. But also see about getting your daughter seen in case there is an underlying reason for all this.

cheeseandbiscuitss · 08/09/2019 08:45

From reading all your updates OP, I would say an assessment is the best route to go down.
ASD is a huge spectrum and early intervention is key. It does sound like she has some traits and honestly even if it's not the case- some advice and support could help. It sounds like your daughter struggles with transitioning and a fixation on a friend in class is also another trait- ASD girls are socially led, they mask their symptoms by copying. Look up echolalia and see if that rings any bells.

Please don't talk yourself out of getting help because you think she's only for a few symptoms- every child is different and it's for all your benefits. It could stop the anger and emotional outbursts. Also anxiety. It seems scary, but is far more common these days know that we know what we are looking for.

Sparrowlegs248 · 08/09/2019 08:49

I'd postpone the trip. It's a £150 on a bear that's likely to be destroyed. You wouldn't give her the money to burn. I would also clearly explain why she's not going, yet. And yes I would hide all crafts and toiletries away.

Her behaviour sounds really extreme.

dottiedodah · 08/09/2019 09:01

I think DD is very unhappy .Can you get some help at all.talk to the School perhaps?.Something is very wrong here in her little world I think!

JustDanceAddict · 08/09/2019 09:07

Never mind Build a Bear, what about her behaviour? I would try and get some help around that as it is not normal behaviour for a 6 year old at all.
Even DS who was hard work at that age, was not destructive and at least behaved at school.

CorBlimeyGovenor · 08/09/2019 09:14

OP, I mean this kindly, but have you had her assessed at school for anything? Has she been seen by the SEN? Her behaviour sounds beyond the norm for her age. Could she have ADHD or something else? If she's been assessed and found to be fine, then you may need to contact your HV and come up with/develop a strategy for how to manage her behaviour. All kids are different so what worked for her sister might not work for her. You are right not to take her to build a Bear based on what you have said. However, if it does go ahead, you need to lay down rules in advance re her looking after the bear (write it down together) and be prepared to take it away if she doesn't stick to the rules.

BlueMoon1103 · 08/09/2019 09:15

To be honest I would cancel it, not to get back at your Mum, but to teach your DD that her behaviour is unacceptable. SEN or no SEN, that behaviour is not okay. If you are concerned please do get her assessed but would I let my DS have an expensive birthday treat if he was behaving like that and destroying the toys he’s already got? No. He’d have to prove to me he can look after things before he was treated to something like that.

Juells · 08/09/2019 09:15

HRTFT but my daughter at that age had a thing about scissors - every sweater had chunks cut out of the lh sleeve and the bottom edge. Her fringe had lumps cut out. She like cutting things up. I wouldn't consider most of what you daughter does a reason for punishment or even upset - drawing on a doll's face, so what? Cutting off a doll's hair? Don't bother buying her dolls. She and her old sister fought like cats and dogs all through childhood, but are not incredibly close and loving as adults - much closer than I am to my own sisters.

From your description I'd consider your daughter a perfectly normal child who isn't interested in playing with toys, she wants to be messing around. Let her mess. Buy her a science kit. Buy her coloured paper and glue and scissors or clay to mess with.

Sleepymum45 · 08/09/2019 09:16

Don't want to sound awful....but have you ever spoken to your GP , school teacher, had anyone support you with DD ? I would recommend (if only for your own sanity) that you speak to some one regarding DDs behaviours.

Sorry but the behaviour sounds a bit more than a "7yrs strop" yes I have been there.
Tell you DM that if she takes her then they are to kept at her house. Then she can witness the waste of money. (My DM was fab with DS and would take him in hand and make him behave or he didnt get) I totally get the wanting to treat the same if you have explained and DM is aware of what possibly will happen then that is her choice.
But please get some advice/ support from a professional regarding DD Flowers

Juells · 08/09/2019 09:18

OP, I mean this kindly, but have you had her assessed at school for anything? Has she been seen by the SEN? Her behaviour sounds beyond the norm for her age.

I'm mighty glad that children weren't being sent for testing when I was a child. Some children just like messing around. How do you think artists (for instance) get started?

tabulahrasa · 08/09/2019 09:18

I also think your DD’s behaviour doesn’t sound typical and you need to find out what’s causing it.

But going back to what you asked - you and your mum are unreasonable.

She shouldn’t have mentioned it to your DD if you’d discussed it and said not this year, but once she had it’s not your trip to cancel as a punishment, I mean what you’re saying is, behave or I won’t let her give you your birthday present...

Your mum also shouldn’t be able to cancel things you’ve arranged as a punishment.

zafferana · 08/09/2019 09:23

It's not you that's controlling - it's your mum! How dare she go behind your back and make this offer to your DD when you've already told her it's not a good idea? You're the parent and she should respect that. However, as long as she understands that her £200 is probably going to be wasted then it's on her now if she insists on taking your DD to this outrageous rip-off activity. I'd tell her 'Fine, you want to take her, knock yourself out. But be aware that she'll probably destroy the teddy and your money will be wasted'.

As for your DD, who knows if she's just creative or whether there is something more going on? People on MN love to bandy around diagnoses based on one OP, but if YOU are worried and YOU sense that there is something not quite right then use your maternal instinct and seek help. The GP is your first port of call. It's okay to not to go in there and say that you're worried and don't know what the problem is! You're not a doctor or a paediatrician and it's fine to seek help without knowing what the likely answer is. Maybe she has autism or ADHD or oppositional defiant disorder and maybe she doesn't, but unless you ask for help assessment you'll never know. If she does have one of those conditions then you will be able to access help, advice, counselling, parenting classes and even medication, if necessary.

Juells · 08/09/2019 09:24

I also think your DD’s behaviour doesn’t sound typical and you need to find out what’s causing it.

I'm genuinely concerned about posters saying the child's behaviour doesn't sound typical. She sounds very typical to me.

Itallt0omuch · 08/09/2019 09:27

No wonder you're alarmed op. Some of these responses are ridiculous. Suggesting there's something seriously wrong with her daughter. I thought we were beyond the times when someone potentially being on the spectrum meant there is something "seriously wrong" with them.

By all means get her assessed. I wouldn't cancel the trip. If she destroys the bear that's between her and her DM. when you see she's destroyed another toy what do you do just out of interest?

I try and use natural consequences. if they destroy a toy, they haven't got that toy any more and I won't replace it or try and fix it right away. A build a Bear trip isn't anything to do with her cutting the hair off her lol dolls. If it was me I might do as a pp suggested and give her an area she can scribble. Blackboard paint is a great idea. Id also go to a charity shop and get some dolls, and see if she's interested in you doing their hair together. If it is sensory or related to anxiety, give her permission to have an outlet for her anxiety as it sounds like she's bottling it up. See if you can get involved with her and try and direct her into a more healthy outlet.

messolini9 · 08/09/2019 09:31

She said, “oh I know, but it’s not fair, she knows now”
So why did you say anything, then?! I hadn’t mentioned it at all to her.

YANBU, & you need to sort your ghastly mother out.
You have enough on your plate with DD2, without your mother clod-hopping in with trips you don't want DD2 to go on, & punishments allocated to you to hand out.

Are you getting any help & support with DD2's behavioural issues? You are coping with a lot here, & your mother's inconsistency & interference are a hindrance. I hope you can access some additional support, but in the meantime it sounds like the most helpful thing you can do for yourself is stand up to your mother.
Tell her to butt the hell out of how you parent your child! - how dare she decide on random punishments & demand that you administer them? Or decide on trips & tell your daughter without consulting you? Does DD2 play you off against her grandma?
btw you are a saint for how you handled the recent 2 hour struggle over a few lines of homework. If you weren't being undermined by your own mother, things would be a lot simpler for you.

womaninthedark · 08/09/2019 09:43

I did all those things your DD2 does. And I had some issues - emotional abuse from my mother, a new (beloved) child arriving... Do offer her help rather than punishment.

Your mother needs a firm hand. Be as firm as you like.

Juells · 08/09/2019 09:44

btw you are a saint for how you handled the recent 2 hour struggle over a few lines of homework.

The homework thing is the only part of the child's behaviour that I'd think significant. I have a SLD connected to working memory and I hated homework, so did my younger daughter, for the same reason. Luckily both of us are irrationally full of self-confidence so it didn't impact on us, but if your daughter is struggling in school it could explain the bad behaviour there. I'd definitely try to have her tested for dyslexia.

motortroll · 08/09/2019 09:45

Hard to say from just a post but have a look at PDA as a possibility? I agree with other posters that there may be an SEN issue. My nephew has PDA and what you've posted sounds similar.

motortroll · 08/09/2019 09:46

Having read another post further down definitely look into what PDA is.

Pathological demand avoidance. You say she's ok until she has to do something. Sounds very familiar!

RainbowJumpers · 08/09/2019 09:54

I found the book The Explosive Child really useful to read in helping me understand what my DS was going through. It’s worth a read.

Also you need to talk to the school teacher, and ask about a meeting with the SENCO, it can take a while as they often have a long list of children. We worked with the school and GP to get a referral. Ask about support groups in your area which you can be referred to. Your DD does sound unhappy and it needs looking into.

Joyfulincolour · 08/09/2019 09:57

Again, I’m another Mum saying look up Pathological Demand Avoidance as part of the autistic spectrum. If it is this, it does make you question your parenting as the child’s behaviour varies in different settings and according to what else is going on.

womaninthedark · 08/09/2019 09:59

Pathological Demand Avoidance as part of the autistic spectrum

That's a good idea. I turned out to be autistic, too.