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To think Boris would win a general election

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HoneyIgrewthekids · 05/09/2019 14:13

Well that really, Im a big remainer but I cant help but feel that at an election Bojo would win and win big. Its depressing and I cant see how anyone could vote for him but I see him winning a majority at the polls especially since the remain vote is split.

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Cam77 · 05/09/2019 21:57

Absolute disaster for him in Leeds earlier today, humiliated twice by members of the public. One man tried to engage him in conversation asking why he wasn’t trying to negotiate a deal in Brussels, and he just turned his back on him. Johnson is an incompetent narcissist, but the public are finally getting to see the totally incompetent man behind the bumbling “Boris” facade and he is floundering. Corbyn looks statesmanlike by comparison.

plaidpyjamas · 05/09/2019 22:00

@daisypond agree. I think there is less direct correlation between leave/remain voters and tory/ labour voters than people assume. So who can call it? You can also deduce nothing from statements about areas like the West Midlands voting leave @caringcarer becuase the referendum vote masked absolutely huge variations in voting choices within those areas, most of Birmingham has always been and will continue to be labour. Finally i am so sick of hearing people say "just get on with it" or "stop dithering" as if nothing has happened just because politicians couldn't be arsed, not because they face a completely impossible problem.

HeresMe · 05/09/2019 22:03

Lots of Labour held seats voted Leave in the referendum heresme, but Labour voters in most of those seats mainly didn't. Don't confuse the two. Leave won those areas by attracting support from voters of other parties and by people who usually don't vote. This isn't true of every Labour Leave constituency, but it is true of a lot of them. For example it's what happened in Newport West earlier this year.

In South Yorkshire a lot of labour voters did vote leave, a long with a lot the younger age groups which also voted leave.

I think you are thinking a lot of traditional labour voters like Corbyn they don't.

Cam77 · 05/09/2019 22:06

@BuzzShitbagBobbly

The so called incompetent opposition has Johnson looking like he’s on his last legs after a few days in office. Everywhere you look he’s having an absolute nightmare. Losing key votes, majority gone, brother pissing off, getting embarrassed by the public in Yorkshire today, making weird rambling speeches. It’s an absolute shitshow at the moment.

AutumnCrow · 05/09/2019 22:10

I think the vote of young people who are 18-21 - who didn't get a vote in the Referendum - will be largely anti-Johnson, informed, and tactical.

Johnson should be worried.

Alsohuman · 05/09/2019 22:12

@MerryChristmasHarry, to be fair Putney’s MP was a remainer, a rebel and did brilliant things for women. She financed abortions for N Irish women from her departmental budget. If all Tories were like her, we definitely wouldn’t be where we are now.

Cinammoncake · 05/09/2019 22:25

Brexit is crippling everything, Remainers have been in charge of brexit for 3 years and got us into a deadlocked unprepared state.

Of course the party in power should focus on brexit and once brexit is done... Go back to normal business!

It won't work like this if we had a no deal Brexit. It would just be the very start like day one of the negotiations.. and we'd have to negotiate with the EU! So we're better off to at least get a deal. Or just revoke article 50.

Cam77 · 05/09/2019 22:32

“ Remainers have been in charge of brexit for 3 years”

When you read stuff like this it makes you realize some Brexiters are just not living on the same plane of existence as everyone else. There really is no point debating with statements like that.

Userzzzzz · 05/09/2019 23:22

I would urge people to read John Major’s speech printed in the mirror
. It is one of the most thoughtful pieces I’ve read about this whole mess

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/john-majors-speech-full-slams-19572556.amp

TheBigBallOfOil · 06/09/2019 06:20

Cam I’m a remainer but I’m not sure you’re seeing the full picture.
Emily Thornberry was made to look an utter arse on QT last night - not hard I admit - because labours position just doesn’t make sense.
They may feel their Westminster shenanigans are terribly clever - although they are largely beneficiaries of Johnson’s errors in truth. How is this looking to the voters? People are utterly sick of this and I have a feeling anyone who looks to prolong it will be punished by them.

Jazzybeats · 06/09/2019 06:39

Lol’ing at the comments saying Labour need a credible leader and that Corbyn is unelectable/poor opposition.

I’m pretty sure he has
-seen off 2 Tory PM’s and already discredited a third

  • inflicted more defeats on the government including the biggest ever
  • led a plan to stop no deal
  • survived a coup and then brought the backstabbing MP’s back into the fold

Of course, though, this is reported as Corbyn being inept/useless and not opposing anything.

TheBigBallOfOil · 06/09/2019 07:05

Oh jazzybeats. This is so typical of why the left struggles. They just cannot see themselves as others see them. It’s Brexit that has seen off two PMs, and it will see off Corbyn too. By far his best strategy would be to let the Tories take us over the cliff, watch the chickens come home to roost, then blame them for the chicken shit all over the place. Instead he’s going to end up in an election as the man who tried his best to prevent Brexit - and he won’t even scoop many remain votes as he’s been so lukewarm on that. LDs will get those.

TheBigBallOfOil · 06/09/2019 07:09

In fairness to thornberry last night, she did appear to register some awareness of the absurdity of her position. Poor old Jezza can’t get that level of perspective. I don’t think he could handle even a day of the punishment may took or Johnson is taking. He’s able to cocoon himself as leader of the opposition but you can’t do that as PM. I think he’d collapse very quickly and it’s actually unkind to wish it on him.

Iggly · 06/09/2019 07:11

Remainers have been in charge of brexit for 3 years

Nonsense.

As for JC - in 2017, Theresa May lost her massive majority by calling an election. Labour increased the total number of votes from over 9 million to over 12 million.... he was the leader of the Labour Party then.

That’s why the Tories are trash talking JC, because they want voters to think he’s a liability. Because they know that, actually, he has a strong chance of winning.

If Boris really wanted to leave, he’d sign up to Theresa May’s Deal. It would have us on the path out.

Manontry · 06/09/2019 07:24

That’s why the Tories are trash talking JC, because they want voters to think he’s a liability. Because they know that, actually, he has a strong chance of winning

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nellodee · 06/09/2019 07:27

Lmao at Bigballofoil's contention that Corbyn has never had "a day of punishment." Whatever your opinion of the man, you'd have to be wilfully ignorant to deny that he has ridden out a great many storms.

Letseatgrandma · 06/09/2019 07:28

Remainers have been in charge of brexit for 3 years

The Tories have been in charge of Brexit for three years and are managing to be inept all by themselves!

If Boris had a plan to negotiate with the EU-why isn’t he doing it?

Aannnaa · 06/09/2019 07:37

well the fact that he fired everyone who disagreed with him and hasn't a clue about Irish politics or how a comb works would suggest he's not the best person for the job.

TheSultanofPingu · 06/09/2019 07:39

Jeremy Corbyn has been labour leader for almost four years now TheBigBall. He is very unpopular with the press, and in turn their readership.
Do you really believe that he couldn't take one day of the punishment that Johnson and May have had to 'endure'?

Violetparis · 06/09/2019 07:43

I also think implying Corbyn has never had to handle a 'day of punishment' is ridiculously biased whatever your view of him is.

Iggly · 06/09/2019 07:44

@Manontry

It’s true. Why else would they constantly churn out negative press about him if they didn’t see him as an actual threat.

Manontry · 06/09/2019 07:49

I think a lot of people do see Corbyn and more importantly his cronies as a threat to the UK. But as a credible GE winner? Erm, no.

Manontry · 06/09/2019 07:50

I think a lot of the negative press is because he does a lot of negative things!

greentheme23 · 06/09/2019 07:53

Well the guy in Leeds summed it up 'why are you in Morley? You should be in Brussels negotiating? - indeed!

MerryChristmasHarry · 06/09/2019 08:03

In South Yorkshire a lot of labour voters did vote leave, a long with a lot the younger age groups which also voted leave.

I think you are thinking a lot of traditional labour voters like Corbyn they don't.

Yes, I'm not saying nobody voted Leave and Labour, there is clearly a Labour Leave cohort in existence. Just that the groups don't always overlap as much as has been assumed. In England and Wales generally, ie the Leave voting countries, turnout was higher overall at the referendum than it is in GEs and the people who voted who don't usually were more likely to be Leavers. To a great extent that's what swung it. South Yorkshire as you'll know has some quite low turnout Labour voting areas, so that pattern will have held there.

Also I live in an extremely traditional and tribal Labour area, and tbh Corbyn hasn't made a lot of difference either way. People vote Labour because that's what we do here. We were also Remain.

I wasn't talking about the Putney MP alsohuman, I was referring to an MP who I reckoned was Kate Hoey.