To think Boris would win a general election

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Well that really, Im a big remainer but I cant help but feel that at an election Bojo would win and win big. Its depressing and I cant see how anyone could vote for him but I see him winning a majority at the polls especially since the remain vote is split.

Aibu

I’m a natural Labour voter, a Remainer and a trades unionist. Labour have been completely ineffectual in what should have been their time to take hold. The Conservatives are so awful it should have been easy. But from Labour nothing. They are embarrassing.

Votes for labour increased by around 3m with Jeremy Corbyn as leader in 2017, after the EU referendum.

Personally I don’t like the idea of JC as a leader - but I would prefer a labour government to a Tory one if I had the choice. I’m a natural labour voter but I’d never vote Tory. The Tories have destroyed this country’s infrastructure under the badge of austerity.

I am not a natural labour voter

@TheBigBallOfOil actually the left are very aware of how they are perceived. It’s on the front page of every paper. The latest being “Corbyn’s surrender bill” or comrade chicken or whatever it is.

Who inflicted those massive losses on the government? The opposition. Who leads the opposition? Corbyn. But your argument if I understand it is that the opposing just magically happened...?

Emily Thornberry still trending on twitter. Can see why Labour decided against a GE. They haven't got a party position on Brexit that can be said in one clear sentence. Or she didn't get the memo?

Not in Scotland, he won't.

Good lord. If Corbyn needed the headlines to point out to him the entirely obvious consequences of the positions he’s taking he really is dim.
I suspect Ms Thornberry is trying at least to bring him in contact with reality after her experience last night. Not enjoyable for her at all.

To the question of Corbyn’s ability to cope as PM - the level of pressure is massively greater than anything he is used to. At present he can, and does, retreat to his little warm nest of people who agree with him and think he’s marvellous. Yes he gets a tousling in parliament and from the press but he can head back to his comfort zone and have everyone tell him he’s great and they’re just evil tories.
You can’t do that as PM. Every day difficult decision piles on difficult decision and the pressure is relentless. You only need to see how poorly he copes with challenge in a tv interview to see how brittle he is. Whatever qualities equip people for it - psychopathy, possibly - he ain’t got them.

I think he would win, but not a majority. I also think that the leavers who traditionally voted labour but have been completely ignored by them for the last decade will mostly vote for the Brexit party in sufficient numbers that a Conservative/ Brexit coalition will be formed and the remoaners on the benches of Westminster, especially the ones who ignore the referendum result in their own constituencies, will rue the day they voted down Teresa's deal.

Not sure if this has been mentioned yet but I am currently despairing that the right wing media seem to now be saying if you aren't up for no deal you're suddenly a "remoaner" I've seen countless references to it over the past couple of days.

Leaving with a deal is still leaving.

Though I do wish they'd just revoke article 50 and put this whole shitshow to bed.

Cam I’m a remainer but I’m not sure you’re seeing the full picture.
Emily Thornberry was made to look an utter arse on QT last night - not hard I admit - because labours position just doesn’t make sense.
They may feel their Westminster shenanigans are terribly clever - although they are largely beneficiaries of Johnson’s errors in truth. How is this looking to the voters? People are utterly sick of this and I have a feeling anyone who looks to prolong it will be punished by them

I'd agree re Corbyn thebigballofoil and weirdly I'm starting to think the same may also be true of Johnson. I had thought that as he's very power hungry and ideology lite, he would just power through and not really give a shit. This week he hasn't seemed that way at all.

How anybody could vote Tory with Johnson as the PM is beyond me. He has proven to be amoral, a liar, a racist, a bullying thug who is unable to hold even his own political party together and unable to negotiate in the UK's best interests at this critical time in its life. He is an arch manipulator of facts and staunchly admired by Trump. He is unfit and unable to rule. Vote Tory? Not a cat in hells chance.

To rule?

He's not the bloody King.

I think where Boris is is in the throes of realising he’s listened to people he shouldn’t have listened to and really overplayed his hand. He thought this Cummings nutjob would ser him through and instead he’s driven into the ditch.
He’d have done better to listen to his own instincts.

It’s debatable that his instincts would have served him any better. After all, they led him to employ Cummings in the first place. Handy to have a scapegoat I guess.

It’s amusing how confident some are that Boris is done. He still has an excellent chance of beating the Labour cowards when they are finally forced into an election.

West Yorkshire police have criticised Boris Johnson for making a political speech before a backdrop of its officers, with the chief constable saying the force had been assured this would not happen but Downing Street changed plans at the last minute.

The prime minister has faced widespread condemnation for seeming to abuse the impartiality of police officers by making partisan comments about Brexit and an election at a police training college in Wakefield, West Yorkshire, with officers lined up behind him

And this is his latest manipulative, lying behaviour. He cannot be trusted. (Even his own brother cannot Trust him!)

the chat in my Tesco’s is Boris is bloody marvellous (just nipped for a sandwich). He’s got balls, apparently.
People do respect courage and for good or ill he’s showing plenty of that.
The longer labour dodges an election the harder it is for them to win it,I reckon

I think Labour might well beat the Tories once Labour choose to allow an election, but as recent events should've taught us, that's not enough is it? He needs a majority. He's going to struggle greatly to get one.

Sorry, meant to say I think the Tories might well beat Labour. Wouldnt surprise me at all to see the Tories fall well short of a majority, perhaps even lose seats, but still be the largest party.

Labour have an appalling problem right now.
If you’re leave, you have tories or BP. If remain, LDs.
What is labour for, other than being vile to Jewish people and looking like dickheads at Question Time?

The polls do look like a Tory victory and in usual times you would be able to extrapolate those percentages across all constituencies, but...

These aren't normal times. As others have said, while he may be able to pick up extra votes and strengthen majorities in already leave type areas, on a constituency level, it's hard to see which ones he'll gain in sufficient numbers.

For my bit of anecdata, my MP is one of the Tory rebels. In a GE the Tory candidate will win. The rebel MP has no personal popularity and it's a true blue leave constituency, any remainers much more likely to vote Lib Dem than the rebel as an independent.

The polls now mean nothing. The political world has been transformed in a week. Nobody can envisage how it will look by the time we all go off to vote.

“To the question of Corbyn’s ability to cope as PM - the level of pressure is massively greater than anything he is used to. At present he can, and does, retreat to his little warm nest of people who agree with him and think he’s marvellous”

In the last few years Corbyn has had 70% of the hysterical billionaire owned MSM screaming that he is:
Anitisemitic
A communist
A misogynist
A terrorist sympathizer
A horrible remainer/leaver

He has also had half the PLP plotting to get rid of him behind his back from day one. But you think he couldn’t sustain a week in the life of Boris Johnson - bumbling up to give a couple of speeches each day speeches that he of course hasn’t bothered to commit even an outline of to memory because he went to Eton and is used to just turning up and relying on a bit of bullshit, some flowery phrases and a couple of Christmas cracker jokes?