I'm wondering what boris is meant to do?

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The referendum result was leave .

The EU will not renegotiate but parliament wouldn't back the only deal available.

Now they won't back leaving at all.

The result was leave. Johnson promised to deliver that result.

So what now ?
There is No solution to this fuck up is there?

I know mn is primarily anti leave but for me the result was what it was and should be honoured. How many bites of the cherry should people get?

And not one party agrees with anything anyway. The EU will NOT negotiate so what are the options that the rebel MPs would like ?
Ignore the vote and pretend it didn't happen?

I am so sick of Brexit. David Cameron should be put in the stocks....

@Dogsarebetterthancatsok
After the revelations yesterday are you really still that naive as to think boris was even negotiating a deal? You say you voted remain. But yet you’re up in arms about making a liar and a fraud impotent.

Some brave tories are trying to save this country as it has been proven over last few days with the final nail in the coffin yesterday that Boris had no intention of even trying to negotiate. Yet you’re now on his side. Just wow.

It looks like some remainers are also losing the capacity to think deeply. You’ve been persuaded by over educated toffs with inferior brain capacity and vicious rhetoric. They are only out for themselves. They want the pound to tank. Can you not see that?

Dogsarebetterthancats - I hate to break it to you, but this is a parliamentary democracy. Our prime democratic process is parliament. No referendum has or could have the effect of altering that.
If the 2016 referendum had been intended to have the effect of making its outcome supreme over parliament, the enabling legislation should have said so. It didn’t fit the very good reason that parliament is supreme and no parliament can bind its successors.
If you want that overturned that’s a whole different debate and case you have to make. I’m not optimistic for you.

'Ignore the vote and pretend it never happened' sounds good to me. The country made a dreadful choice. God knows why so many people are so attached to it. And what is BoJo supposed to do? fuck off and die, obviously. This is Boris Johnson we are talking about, chief bullshitter and shitstirrer. Whoever thought he was a man with a plan?

I think a great goal for BJ would be to beat George Canning's long-standing record: Canning is currently the shortest-serving PM in our history (119 days). BJ looks on track to set a new record without even needing to die in harness like poor Canning.

After that I think he could take his pick of jobs, though somehow I don't see him writing his memoirs in a shepherd's hut. He'd make a great talk-show host or, better still, shock-jock on the wireless.

I hope he hasn't unpacked and neatly Kon Marie'd all the stuff he moved into no 10 as it's all just going to need packing up again.

How many bites of the cherry should people get?

I would say at least one more, given that we now know the Leave group lied and broke electoral law last time.

Hopefully we'll have a general election, a second referendum which votes to remain, and then we can leave this nightmare behind us.

(Wishful thinking I know)

Well, if he tables a GE today and Labour won’t agree to one ( laughable as 99% of anything Corbyn has said in the last 100 years has been to ask for a GE in every circumstance) then it’s all down to the bill surely? If Berk-o doesn’t do his job properly (again) and decides the bill doesn’t need Queen’s Consent, Boris would be completely justified in blocking it from Royal Assent and then surely it would have to be a VONC and election.
Or he blocks it anyway...
The House is not fit for purpose. They’re a bunch of flip flopping jokes. They want to leave, but they don’t want any deals offered, but they don’t want no deal, but they don’t want a second referendum, but they don’t want to not leave. They have made it law to leave. Not Boris.
I can’t see a solution.
Then again. In a GE, if Labour loses their working class leave strongholds to the Brexit Party and the Tories hold most of their seats...

Well, if he tables a GE today and Labour won’t agree to one ( laughable as 99% of anything Corbyn has said in the last 100 years has been to ask for a GE in every circumstance)

It’s not laughable in the least. Nobody trusts Boris to call a GE and stick to the timeline that would prevent us leaving with No Deal by default. Corbyn does want a GE but he wants this to be sorted first. It’s an eminently sensible move since BJ is completely off the rails and cannot be trusted in the least.

Many political commentators are saying the same thing - look it up. Your comment just shows your dislike of JC is blinding you to the situation at hand.

I can't understand how David Cameron can open Pandora's box like this then skip off into the sunset without a care in the world. Oh yes money and privilege.

He should have been the one to deliver it. That should be a law. If you initiate a referendum then you have to deliver it.

I know Theresa May didn't manage to get a solution but to me at least it felt that a grown up was vaguely in charge. This is just an Eton bun-fight now. I'm ashamed of our leadership.

I’m just glad we’ve been able to see what a car crash BJ is now, before a GE. First PM to lose his first vote in Parliament in centuries. What a joke he is. As predicted.

I don't think we should assume Labour would win an election if an election is held.
If MPs pass the bill today that does not of course mean the EU will offer an extension so we still leave presumably. If they pass another bill that says we must withdraw the Art 50 notice forever presumably only a general electoin could sort out that problem and if Labour MPs instead stood behind the withdrawal agreement which was Mrs May and BJ's - both remainers - very good compromise we would not be in this mess. It is awful that Labour is causing this and those few Tories who voted against the WA as the WA is Labour policy anyway - that we leave and that we are in a customs union so the WA is hardly objectionable.

Look, it's time to stop with all the "Ooh, the country made a terrible decison, we should never have allowed the Leave vote to stand" shite. Well, the time to stop that was 3 years ago.

The problem is that many elected politicians don't agree with leaving, are happy to ignore their constituency voice and will do fuck all to solve the stalemate they have worked so tirelssly achieve.

They won't vote for a deal, they won't allow no deal the only thing they will go for is to remain.

Tell me how that is in any way democratic? Is it surprising that all sides are now acting in increasingly bizarre ways? Something has to break the stalemate... and whatver that is about 50% of the country will be extremely pissed off!

As Amanduh said, the House simply isn't fit for purpose. If they were they would have been able to come to an agreement about a deal rather than simply shouting No to No Deal. Fucking ridiculous!

I have decided to look for a single issue candidate to vote for. The parties can fuck off!

The Opposition party in the UK has wayy too much power

The reason the opposition has so much power right now is because the tories have a minority government, if they were enjoying a good majority they could get things through the house. With the sacking of another 21 MPs he's really up shit street. I'm struggling to believe he's actually fired ken Clarke, the father of the house, and Nicholas soames.

I reckon he might get his general election, but Corbyn is going to make him pay to get it and use it as leverage. Which is fair enough. Boris would do the same.

I also don't think the eu will agree JAN for an exit date, they are likely to push it longer, possibly next summer.

The only way through the stale mate is if one party wins a general election with a large majority. And I don't think that's a given. I suspect he tories will win but they might not be much better off than they are now. With the brexit party, Lib Dem's, unite or whatever they are called, spreading the vote, the whole thing is really not a given.

We need no deal on the table to get the best deal.

There are no negotiations, that's all flim flam. The EU have been completely blunt about the fact that all the supposed 'progress' is imaginary. No deal is possible without the backstop. It's been explained over and over and over and over why the backstop matters and why there can be no deal without it, but the British negotiators keep muddying the waters and pretending it's just the EU being difficult.

The backstop can't go. Instead of shouting about that non-stop, Boris could agree to the customs being temporarily down the sea - the logical place. If it's OK for your customs to be in Calais, as happens at the moment, why not on the sea? NI voted remain, NI businesses and farmers are in favour of the backstop, the DUP are no longer in control, so it's all just Boris blustering and threatening. His threats are empty. No Deal is not a threat, everyone else in Europe is already resigned to it, and other countries have planned accordingly.

That's the heart of it isn't it? The country is split almost 50:50. The loudest voices n each side are vile, hate filled and unwilling to bend. Politicians are acting against their constituency, against their party, becasue they too are split 50:50 and don't necessarily personally align with party or voters.

If there had been a larger majority in the referendum or the GE then this situation could not have arisen.

Bring on a GE and let's just start finishing this shit show! At the moment I could care less how! Even less any blame or name calling... that just prolongs the agony!

We need no deal on the table to get the best deal.

This is just a myth, and I've mystified that Johnson even thinks it's an argument worth making. The EU has made it perfectly clear that, whilst it doesn't want No deal, for them that is preferable to losing the backstop. t's ludicrous to think that, if Johnson goes back to them saying "You have to agree to what I want, including losing no backstop, or we'll leave without a deal", the EU will just roll over and give him whatever he asks for. All that will happen is that they will say "Bye then".

They've given Johnson time to come up with a sensible alternative, and he's totally wasting that time pratting about with what Cummings no doubt assured him would be terribly clever Parliamentary manoeuvres. He needs to get rid of Cummings and start listening to what the grown-ups are telling him.

It sort of makes sense, or would have way back at the beginning of negotiations.

I suspect it is as it seems to be: Team Johnson wants a No Deal Brexit and all this pratting aoreund is obfuscation to get there. Or to get out and not be held accountable for the end result!

It is, after all, very much a poison chalice. He knew he had what, 100 days, in position. He won't survive a post Brexit election, may not urvive this supposed snap election. He has bugger all to lose politically... he surely only has days left as a politician, whatever the outcome! That's the reason Gove et al didn't really put themselves forward for party leader... they still have some daft idea that they have a creer in politics to look forward to!

Resign would be the best option, but that is not going to happen.

If Corbyn uses anti no deal legislation as leverage and BJ gets his election, what's to stop Boris running his election campaign on a leave, deal or no deal, basis? Robert Peston seemed to think this was BJs objective and he can repeal any anti no deal
legislation if he wins a GE with that manifesto.
I also think getting rid of his more serious rebels was done on purpose, I think he feels he can win a GE, but maybe with a small majority. The troublemakers are gone now, so not the problem they once were.

That’s the thing, the trouble makers haven’t gone. They hold the balance of power in the house now they’re deselected. They’re wild cards who can vote how the hell they like. If Boris wants an election, you can bet your arse they won’t give him one. They’ll watch him squirm to find a way out.

Resign would be the best option, How? Practically, not emotionally, how would that be of any use? He was the only Tory really prepared to step up... actually it might be fun to see the Goviot squirm...

And yes, I think Peston had it right... clear the decks, steam roller on.

They hold the balance of power in the house now they’re deselected. They’re wild cards who can vote how the hell they like. Not after a GE they can't! That was the point. They have been deselcted, cannot stand for the party, would have to stand as independents or another party... so they can't be sure they will be re elected. That was the threat, that is the reason for the timing of this.

I don't think we should assume Labour would win an election if an election is held.

I dunno. I have no allegiance to any party but I have been vehemently against Corbyn. I think he is an idiot, with some pretty ridiculous views generally. I have supported Theresa May in what she was trying to do, despite me voting remain. I have voted for them in the past couple of elections because A) I couldn't even contemplate Corbyn and B) you don't change your manager halfway through a game. We needed to let them see it through. I wanted just to get the deal done, get us out if that had to happen and let business get on with working out how to operate with the new rules. We need certainty'

However, if there is an election tomorrow, Corbyn is getting my vote. He is the least worst option and far safer for the nation than a no deal Brexit.

I could never have believed I would ever consider voting Corbyn but here we are.

They have been deselcted, cannot stand for the party, would have to stand as independents or another party... so they can't be sure they will be re elected

Our MP got thrown out of the party for drunken brawls in the HoP bars. He was prosecuted a few times for fighting. He had sex with one of his underage staff and held the record as the first MP to reach 1 million in expenses claimed over his two decades as an MP.

He was overwhelmingly voted in by our constituency no matter what he did and no matter who he stood for.

this is a parliamentary democracy. Our prime democratic process is parliament. No referendum has or could have the effect of altering that.

I wish the people who blather on about ‘respecting democracy’ could get this through their heads. It’s not difficult.

My choice for what BJ should do is ‘get run over’ but failing that I’d like to see him have a really tough time in the Commons and fail ignominiously.

I think his best plan was to try and secure some cosmetic additions to the political declaration quickly and use his honeymoon period to try and get the WA through. Coupled probably with being very tough with the DUP about the harsh reality of life for them under a Corbyn government.
He’s been tough with the wrong people - the ones who could and would have helped him do that.