I'm wondering what boris is meant to do?

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The referendum result was leave .

The EU will not renegotiate but parliament wouldn't back the only deal available.

Now they won't back leaving at all.

The result was leave. Johnson promised to deliver that result.

So what now ?
There is No solution to this fuck up is there?

I know mn is primarily anti leave but for me the result was what it was and should be honoured. How many bites of the cherry should people get?

And not one party agrees with anything anyway. The EU will NOT negotiate so what are the options that the rebel MPs would like ?
Ignore the vote and pretend it didn't happen?

I am so sick of Brexit. David Cameron should be put in the stocks....

They were all warned that what was being proposed was not possible due to the Irish border. They ignored it. They will not be allowed to tear up an international peace treaty. And people talking about a United ireland are fantasists.
You can't have the brexit you were promised.

A GE is a poor proxy for a second referedum given our first past the post system. With the rise of the Brexit Party, it's anyone's guess whether the Remain or Leave parties will suffer most from vote-splitting.

Imagine is the vote share among the Remain parties exceeds the Leave parties but the Leave parties win the most seats (or vice-versa). What a mess that would be...

Johnson and Cummings are a busted flush now. They thought the threat of removing the whip would rein “the rebels” in. It failed. There’s not a lot else they can do to those 22 MPs who had enough integrity to put country before party. They’re heroes.

Cummings scares me the most.

Yes, that could conceivably happen. And then both sides will claim to have won. And so it will go on.

With a bit of luck Cummings will be gone now. Bet Johnson’s giving him hell.

What are you talking about angel? I hope you didn't vote leave to restore our sovereignty of for "democracy" without looking up what those words meant? They have a presidential system. The Senate and the US constitution have far more power to oppose the President than we have. Trump is having trouble getting anything through because the opposition is in charge of the Senate. He can talk shit about a trade deal as much as he likes. He will be defeated in the Senate if we don't respect the good Friday agreement, because the democrats control the Senate. Why are you moaning about what our Parliament is like? It's been like this for 800 years.

So... the referendum was a vote so we need to all respect it.

Even though if we had another one it would probably go the other way. But another vote? Apparently voting more than once is undemocratic.

And we voted in the UK government some years ago. But apparently to get through one vote... we’ve got to suspend voted for MPs. All of them. And halt the democratic process. But we voted for them! To represent us!

There is the option of just having another vote. Or letting the government refuse to agree. At least both of these options carry on the democratic process.

Yes, one has to assume he has been badly advised by Cummings. But that is no surprise. Cummings does not understand politics or parliament and grossly over estimates his own abilities.
Boris has better political instincts. He should never have bothered with the baldy little twat.

Time for Cummings to be Goings.

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I am well aware that they have a minority party in the USA, but it is different! It is much more aggressive and antagonistic in the U.K Of course it's different! I don't need to look it up. I understand both political systems quite well 😂.

To make it clear for your understanding, unlike the UK which has the main two parties, the Lib Dem's and other political parties, the USA really only has two of any importance. The president can actually find it harder to pass legislation through Congress because of the constitutional system there, even though he technically should have more power than a PM as he's Head of State. Hence my comment about Obama. British Prime Ministers rarely have this problem as they head a government with a majority of seats. The Brexit issue is obviously a different ball game as it's so divisive that MPs are not towing the party line, as they generally do. So yes, the opposition party does affect the ruling party greatly in the US as depending on how many seats they have, they can block legislation at every turn and they do do this. Yes, they're not yelling at each other, but they can and do stop legislation the ruling party wants to pass.

To answer the ops question, I wish he would fuck off.
I can't put it any other way.
The man is a total disgrace and deserves all the ridicule he gets.
I sincerely hope Corbyn tells him to fuck off and shove his deal as far up his arse as he can.
BJ is a liar.
He cares only for himself. It wasn't long ago that he was not even a leaver. As with most things he hedged his bets, waiting until his nemesis had made their call before he revealed his cards.
He has also changed political allegiances in the past ,proof if any were needed, that he is a complete lying turncoat.
Whilst working as a journalist he admitted to writing complete lies about the EU. Saying in fact that the E U did lots of good things for the uk, whilst writing sensationalist headlines to further his career.
He has removed his assets from the UK and will benefit financially every time the pound falls in value.
He stands to make lots of money whatever happens because he is loaded.
He cares not either way and why should he?
He will remain a millionaire.
His persona of a bumbling upper class twit is slipping as even his own party are beginning to turn against him and thankfully now he no lo get hold a parliamentary majority.
The EU leaders are probably slightly bemused by him.
They also wonder what is going on in the minds of the average u.k .voter.
It's all rather embarrising.

I really don't understand why people keep saying we have to honour the result of the referendum. It was riddled with fraud on the Leave side, and even the government admitted that, if it had been an election, they would have had to set the result aside. Even without that, it was a tiny majority well over three years ago, and it looks a virtual certainty that, if the referendum were run again, the result would go the other way. They could also validly acknowledge that it can't be binding if no deal is on the table, because the Leave campaign made it very clear that no deal would never happen.

Therefore the sensible course is to revoke Article 50 and consider a new referendum.

I know mn is primarily anti leave but for me the result was what it was and should be honoured. How many bites of the cherry should people get?

So because a couple of years ago when nobody really knew what was at stake, people voted for something, the government which is supposed to do what is best for the British economy, should power on and do something that pretty much every expert agrees would be really bad for the economy?

In any situation things can change which make what was once a good idea now a really bad one? You’re in a plane ready to skydive off, you’ve done all the training, paid the fee, you’ve 150 sponsors offering 1.5k in sponsorship for your favourite charity. At the last minute you’re told “the manufacturers say the parachutes are defective but it’s ok, my boss says they will probably be ok” Do you still jump?

It’s not about bites at the cherry to get a win, it is about remembering that the vast majority of people who voted for it, may well be seriously harmed financially by Brexit along with a whole load of people who didn’t. None of those arguing about it on those green benches will suffer one bit. Some will actually do very well.

You might think that democracy is vitally important, but if this were about democracy, why is Boris having to close down democracy in order to take us out?

They also wonder what is going on in the minds of the average u.k .voter.
Good luck to them!

"Brexit means Brexit!"
"Well done Boris for blocking Theresa May's Brexit"
"Why are MPs blocking Boris' Brexit!?"
"We want Parliamentary sovereignty!"
"How dare Parliament oppose Boris!"

I should clarify I was talking about a No deal Brexit.

@Yabbers, I wish I’d written that, it sums the whole thing up perfectly.

Also lots of us are very worried about Ireland.
It will not take much for fighting to kick off and then we are all in the s*.

Johnson should recognise what is staring us all in the face: Brexit can’t be done. A wise Australian on my Twitter feed put it this way (I’m paraphrasing):

In Australia we agreed that we should become a republic. But we couldn’t agree on how becoming a republic should be achieved. So we had to agree that we couldn’t become a republic.

And a general election? Nobody wants to vote for or think about these people. We all just want to vote on Brexit again. Why can’t they just give us that instead.

Johnson and Rees-Mogg are great examples of how an expensive education and sense of entitlement can hide weak logic and adequate intelligence. Throwing a few Latin phrases about does not mean you are clever. It’s just means that you are desperate for people to think you are. What happened today just demonstrates that more people can see through the charade. There is no mandate for no deal. There never was. It wasn’t even mentioned before the referendum. Even Farage was promoting a Norway or Swiss style deal, which would have delivered on the result of the referendum and which many moderate remainers would have sucked up. I think Johnson has the following choices:

Resign
Be honest about what can actually be delivered and seek a Norway/Swiss style deal
Revoke A50 and start from scratch again.
Hold a GE - though I don’t think that will change anything

He’s a lame duck now. He doesn’t have a majority.

Boris could be a record breaker for the shortest term uk PM, the record at the moment stands at 118 days.

Snowjive that’s spot on. There is no consensus in parliament or the country for our post Brexit arrangements. Given that, it is hard to see how the status quo can be changed.
If we are insistent on privileging referendums over parliamentary democracy (and I think that’s unwise) perhaps there is a case for another which tries to establish which of the three available options commands the most public support. I think no clear leader will emerge to be honest.

I like how all these MPs were banging on about savingg democracy while going against democracy to stop brexit. It’s a fucking joke. We need no deal on the table to get the best deal. How the fuck can people not understand this? Labour know they will lose an election which is why they don’t want one despite saying for years there should be one. They are a joke. Remainers are a joke. Wanting democracy while taking it away by wanting Brexit stopped. Do you not see what you are doing? I voted remain but I sure as Hell wouldn’t now. I believe in democracy.