I'm wondering what boris is meant to do?

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The referendum result was leave .

The EU will not renegotiate but parliament wouldn't back the only deal available.

Now they won't back leaving at all.

The result was leave. Johnson promised to deliver that result.

So what now ?
There is No solution to this fuck up is there?

I know mn is primarily anti leave but for me the result was what it was and should be honoured. How many bites of the cherry should people get?

And not one party agrees with anything anyway. The EU will NOT negotiate so what are the options that the rebel MPs would like ?
Ignore the vote and pretend it didn't happen?

I am so sick of Brexit. David Cameron should be put in the stocks....

emilyb, some of the Tory MPs that lost the whip and some Labour MPs (the Blairites) will vote for May's deal. It was a cross party group that brought that amendment (that passed on a technicality) this week.

We live in such bizarre times, all logic has gone out the window.

...I need to point out that NI is something that has never really impinged on my life, never thought much about it, but the disregard of the rights of Northerners and the blaming of Ireland for the mess has made me absolutely furious. So I can imagine how both Republicans and Unionists are feeling. A recipe for another round of fighting.

Mummyoflittledragon
The country is too divided now. Someone with a lot of guts needs to cancel the whole thing and come up with a workable solution by discussing options with the EU in the hope of finding a solution to the issue within the EU. We aren’t the only country in this situation and heads need to come out of the sand in both sides. We are merely the trail blazers.

Agree with this. L v R is too black and white and actually looks as if Leave is impossible. The EU does not really want us to go so may be open to a rethink - I'd like to think so.

@SonEtLumiere that sounds like a good idea

We aren’t the only country in this situation and heads need to come out of the sand in both sides. We are merely the trail blazers.

Yeah, keep telling yourself that 😂

@Juells
Idk what you mean. There are a lot of countries with populations with a lot of discontent. The political pendulum is swinging away from centrism, unity and toward the extremes and chaos.

It is auie a mess. I believe the House of Lords has approved the latest bill (what I call the number 6 bill) but all that says is BJ has to write a specific letter to the EU requesting more time.]

Presumably the EU will know that more time does not mean UK MPs will ever agree anything and will refuse that request. That extension request also has to be approved by all EU states so again not likely to be got through. The litigation as expected is failing.

The political pendulum is swinging away from centrism, unity and toward the extremes and chaos.

Who wants extremes and chaos? Every other country in the EU has looked at Brexit and decided better the devil they know. After the crash, when we were taxed to the hilt here in Ireland with the USC (4% on top of our regular tax IIRC) because the government had decided to pay unsecured bonds (German) there was a lot of grumbling and pointing towards how Iceland had handled the crisis, people talking about leaving the EU. That faded away though as the economy recovered and we remembered why it was better to be in than out. Any waverers have been convinced by Brexit.

We aren't the only country with a Cambridge Analytica problem either.

How many people have tried already... To work within the eu!!

How many times does it have to be said its inflexible we can't work within it which is why people want to leave

Juells.

The far right is flourishing across the eu as is the far left.

This is because of the eu project people don't want it! Not to this degree.

I don't often post on Brexit threads, but I'll say again what I've said from the very start ... none of them have any real intention of taking us out of the EU and never did

The referendum - merely a stunt to buy Cameron a few more votes - was never meant to turn out as it did, but there's far too much self-interest around europe for too many politicians. They'll promise this and that and the countless non-jobs which "leaving" has created are no doubt appreciated, but IMO that same self interest means it will never happen

@ Puzzledandpissedoff
I’ve heard people go further than that, saying that Cameron and Johnson, long term best buddies since university remember, stitched up the whole thing - or tried to. Cameron assigned himself Remain and assigned Boris to head Leave. The pan was to give his best political mate/uni mate the chance to head a high profile “brave but destined to fail campaign” which raises his profile yet further, and wins him loads of support in the party and with euroscpetics throughout the country to put him in pole position for his run at the Tory leadership when Cameron steps down. His “losing refendum” concession speech would have been along the lines of “oh, well, didn’t we come close and raise all the right issues, but the country has spoken I’m afraid. Now, let’s pressure the EU for reform - and support my bid as PM to do so” The whole thing was just a WWE type stitch up. Johnson al ost certainly let never believed we should leave the EU in the first place. It was just his role to play. There’s plenty to support the theory, for starters look at his extremely muted “ victory” speech the day after the result. That’s the quietest and most subdued I’ve ever see him, in what was meant to be his moment of supreme victory. He knew it was all buggered up big time.

@Cam77 frankly I'm at the stage now where nothing would surprise me; the only certainty seems to be that these wretches are in it for nothing other than themselves

If ever there was a time when we needed a statesman or woman rather than mere politicians this is surely it, but it's like wishing for a unicorn

Cam77 I have always thought a variation of that not that Boris agreed it with Cameron but that he did it as a political move to become PM. The problem being that he has had to go increasingly to the right and towards no deal (which given his family political views is unusual);to get power. Which has meant he has boxed himself in. Which he know needs to get himself out of

The far right is flourishing across the eu as is the far left.

This is because of the eu project people don't want it! Not to this degree.

Hmm
You're ignoring countries where the far right is also rising.
I haven't seen much on the far left side.
What I have seen is mass manipulation led by people and leaders who don't want a strong Europe or a moderate left or even democratic centre governments.
The EU is by no means perfect, but the alternative is a bunch of small countries facing giants like the neighbouring Russia, the US and China.
Now, ask again who's really uncomfortable with the EU. And who's been funding Farage, Internet trolls, etc

Presumably the EU will know that more time does not mean UK MPs will ever agree anything and will refuse that request.

The remain alliance had already sought agreement from the EU before the Bill was tabled. They have signalled they will consent to a three month extension, and that included the more resistant members such as Macron.

The EU is by no means perfect, but the alternative is a bunch of small countries facing giants like the neighbouring Russia, the US and China.
Now, ask again who's really uncomfortable with the EU. And who's been funding Farage, Internet trolls, etc

The US has tried to weaken the EU in every way possible, and over the years has used the UK as a cat's paw to press for things that would weaken/destroy the EU. Which EU country was backint the US pressure for Turkey to be admitted?

Before the Good friday referendum in 1998 every household in Northern Ireland received a copy of the proposed agreement to read before they voted. It looked like this

education.niassembly.gov.uk/post_16/snapshots_of_devolution/

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/136652/agreement.pdf

Take a look at it and see how it was presented to the people before they made a decision. The government of that time ie tony Blair Mo Mowlam and all the other local plus leaders plus those in Roi and USA had the foresight to realise people needed to know what they were voting for before they did it.

This was a referendum affecting 2m people

It astounds me that fast forward 20 years to a huge divorce proposal affecting 60m people,the whole country and beyond ,was presented to the UK with absolutely no information to households about what the plan actually was.

For this reason alone we absolutely should have another referendum ...and this time with a document just like that above issued to every eligible voter.

This is how it was presented.

We didn’t receive anything like this before Brexit voting. Therefore the entire referendum was undemocratic.

Yes, before each referendum every household in Ireland gets a booklet setting out the argument from both sides. Issued by the electoral commission IIRC.

One last thing he can do legally. That is to refuse to appoint a Commissioner for Uk. He did not appoint one as said we would leave on Oct 31st so did not need one. If we are still in on Nov 1st we would need one or UK would have to be kicked out of EU for breaking its constitution which states all countries in EU block must have one. I think if he can't get GE before Oct 31st that is his last throw of dice. The electorate won't forget Labours huge part in thrawting referendum results coming into practice though. Corbyn will lose masses of votes from his leave voters.

All UK households did get leaflet from Cameron government bfore referendum setting out arguments strongly for and weak arguments against.

Lewgi. The eu is very left and too left and far right flourishing. Far left and far right.