I'm wondering what boris is meant to do?

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The referendum result was leave .

The EU will not renegotiate but parliament wouldn't back the only deal available.

Now they won't back leaving at all.

The result was leave. Johnson promised to deliver that result.

So what now ?
There is No solution to this fuck up is there?

I know mn is primarily anti leave but for me the result was what it was and should be honoured. How many bites of the cherry should people get?

And not one party agrees with anything anyway. The EU will NOT negotiate so what are the options that the rebel MPs would like ?
Ignore the vote and pretend it didn't happen?

I am so sick of Brexit. David Cameron should be put in the stocks....

Oops too many legally bindings.

Personally, I'd go with dead in a ditch.

But overall I think the existing Brexit deal with the EU vs Remain should be put to the popular vote in a new referendum. Or at the very least, no deal vs deal.

It's rather stupid to accept such a big change from a popular vote that was so close, when it's known how fickle the voting population is.
The result could easily have been other a month earlier or later. But, sure, take it as gospel and waste money and effort.
For exit, it should be >50% of all registered voters, or 2/3 of all voters.

contentedsoul you need to change newspapers and stop reading those messages Cummings et al are streaming into your inbox, tailored just for you. The EU is not holding us to ransom. Our government negotiated a deal in good faith with the EU, with backstop terms that we proactively requested and brought it back for ratification by our own parliament. If anyone held us to ransom it was the DUP and the ERG.

Well, what Boris ought to do is have a moment of enlightenment and be the first old Etonian to realise becoming PM isn’t some kind of automatic destiny.

Then with that new found awareness, realise lies and bullshit might pull the wool over the eyes of the stupid for a while, but that you get found out sooner or later.

Fuck knows what he can do now... I’m sure he’s thinking the same thing. total shit show.

I'd be quite happy with the idea of the ditch. I dont even need him dead, just muddy and wallowing.

@Mummyoflittledragon that's the sort of thing I mean. There are reasons, arguments , pics on both sides of that. IT IS DONE WITH we we are now living with the aftermath...

Whatever parliament decides to do there will be a lot of angst... but they need to decide SOMETHING. Not just do all that rehashing shite...

I can’t see anyway out of this. It feels like these discussions, the back and forth in which people prove how clever and “right” they are with neither side giving an inch, will go on forever.

Both main parties are a disaster. Did anyone as Emily Thornberry in Question Time on Thursday? She literally said that if Labour won the election they would go to Brussels, negotiate a “better deal” (how??), then come back and offer us a referendum in which she would campaign for Remain. So she would actually campaign against the deal she herself had negotiated. And she expects people to vote Labour??

The whole thing

That they don't see how fucked up their logic is terrified me!

I can’t see anyway out of this.

The way out of it is to have a general election IMO. But Corbyn won’t let that happen.

The way out of it is to have a general election IMO. But Corbyn won’t let that happen.

You’re right and it’s a disgrace. Although after seeing that question time I can see why they don’t want one - their Brexit plans are absolutely insane.

So labour are saying they would get a specific agenda/deal from Brussels, basically saying if you vote leave then x y and z will happen.
Or you can vote to remain and stay as we are.
She has said she is a remainder.
And your issue with that scenario is what precisely?

As opposed to the present Tory government who propose what exactly?
From a pm who is campaigning for a hard no deal when in fact he is not a remainder or leaver. Fact- Johnson remained o the fence waiting to see what would serve him best.

So you think a politician who offers very clear, reasonable options and who tells you upfront what there stance is, is worse than a pm who lies, does not have any principles what so ever.
Will alley with anyone so long as it it self serving. Does not have a clear leave or remain stance and is prepared for the citizens whom he represents to suffer immensely under a no deal .
Please explain why the first politician is worse than BJ.

We shouldn't move on and get over the breakage of electoral law by Vote Leave. It should be tackled now, because otherwise we are simply asking to be attacked again. I mean, you interfere with an election, you get what you want, why would you not do it again?

Perhaps you should have to pass an intelligence test to vote on the issue........just saying.

Or better still the mps should have to pass a test.
First question:
How many children do you have?
BJ errrr........... I’m not prepared to answer that......I don’t know....... I shagged a few whilst I was still married ......err had a few illegitimate kids....... not completely sure......PASS, pass can I pass on that one?

And your issue with that scenario is what precisely?

How do you think the EU will treat us at the negotiation table if our stance is effectively “please give us a good deal, but if you don’t it doesn’t really matter because we’re going to vote against it anyway”?

I don’t have any particular political affiliations but I can promise you that that position won’t win my vote.

BJ complains that his govt is hamstrung.
However, Parliament is prorogued until mid October, anyway.
Then BJ has to get thru the beg-for-an-extension ordeal (after pretending for a week to be trying to find a viable alternative WA).
Only after extension with new deadline date is set in UK law, then everyone will be ready to electioneer.

I'm not a Corbyn fan but as long as he holds his nerve on this one, waits until extension is set into British law with new date, then he goes up in my estimation. By putting national interests ahead of party.

please give us a good deal, but if you don’t it doesn’t really matter because we’re going to vote against it anyway

No, that's not what she said. Lots of people still want to leave. To have a People's Vote there needs to be a leave option and a remain option. It is up to the government to set out what both options will be. That's where the referendum went wrong, there was no detail in what leave meant.

This is not unusual at all. In my job I often have to put forward plans to a board that I don't agree with, I can give my opinion on which is the best option but I still put equal effort into presenting the other options because I recognise that my favoured plan may not be the same as others.

‘I'm not a Corbyn fan but as long as he holds his nerve on this one, waits until extension is set into British law with new date, then he goes up in my estimation. By putting national interests ahead of party’

Better late than never I suppose, shame he didn’t put national interests first 3 years ago by coming out in support of remain.

As opposed to BJ who has effectively said to the EU ‘we will leave with nothing’
Then when parliament say no, not good enough. What does he do then.
Go back to the negotiating table ( after not being there when he should have been in the first place) and say

“Jolly ho chaps, now can I have some sort of a deal, I know I said I would not negotiate, didn’t turn up to negotiate and all that ..... err now I want x y and z. I know I was responsible for refusing to back all your offers of x y and z errrr.... but now I’d like to do a deal and offer exactly what I rejected from you previously.”

@CuriousaboutSamphire
I get what you’re saying. The country is too divided now. Someone with a lot of guts needs to cancel the whole thing and come up with a workable solution by discussing options with the EU in the hope of finding a solution to the issue within the EU. We aren’t the only country in this situation and heads need to come out of the sand in both sides. We are merely the trail blazers. Then if the country is still unhappy put a second referendum to the vote with TM’s deal and remain on the ballot.

Also, as a barrister Ms Thornberry will have regularly had to put forward arguments and negotiate agreements that she disagreed with, and she did so very successfully. Keir Starmer has a similar legal background. This is what they are trained, and very capable, of doing.

Ditch will do for me. Not dead, obvs, but cold, hungry, humiliated.
Yep, very happy indeed with that outcome.

Then he would have to go back to parliament with the same deal he refused to accept from Teresa May!
After having sacked any Tory mps who opposed his no deal!
Do you seriously think those sacked and pissed of mps will back him and do you think the opposisdion will?
Christ get bloody real,
Would you support your boss if you had been sacked for standing up to his batshit ideas?
Yes sure you would.
Or would you work for another boss and and hope the fucker rotted in hell.

SonEtLumiere

Justs an aside...on colonies- what’s good for the goose is good for the gander.

Yes, the problem that's preventing Britain leaving are a result of having a colony. India, Palestine, Ireland, in each case when Britain was leaving they partitioned in such a way that it has caused problems ever since. Ministers keep referring to 'the Irish border', which really is a red rag to a bull for Irish people. It's not our border. It's your border. A convoluted wriggling border designed to give a permanent majority to Unionists.