I'm wondering what boris is meant to do?

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The referendum result was leave .

The EU will not renegotiate but parliament wouldn't back the only deal available.

Now they won't back leaving at all.

The result was leave. Johnson promised to deliver that result.

So what now ?
There is No solution to this fuck up is there?

I know mn is primarily anti leave but for me the result was what it was and should be honoured. How many bites of the cherry should people get?

And not one party agrees with anything anyway. The EU will NOT negotiate so what are the options that the rebel MPs would like ?
Ignore the vote and pretend it didn't happen?

I am so sick of Brexit. David Cameron should be put in the stocks....

How on earth can anyone have any respect for a prime minister who's best argument is to call someone ' a chlorinated chicken' ?

He is just helping Jeremy get ready for our brave new world of US food standards

Has the penny dropped then? The brexit you were promised is undeliverable. The EU was never going to let us have all the benefits and none of the downsides.

This. It's astonishing how many people seem surprised at this fact.

Anyone who thinks Momentum is sinister must either be a Brexit supporter or not know that Momentum are pushing for the UK to remain in the EU.

Stone of Destiny covers it nicely.

Admit the only reason he supported brexit in the first place was to be prime minister and every decision he has made has been for that goal and no he is out of his depth

The thing is the EU has offered a sensible deal to get us out that protects themselves yes but gives us what we want

The people who stopped it are not just remainers they are the ERG who want no deal for their own benefit and people like Boris who did it for his own political gain

The MPs now who are destroying their own careers to stop a nodeal brexit should be commended

What I find really ironic is that all the leaver claims about our current situation with the EU - that we have to comply with their rules and have no power - are totally inaccurate, but will be accurate if we leave with a deal.

Right now: plenty of influence, trading power, plenty of benefits, lots of protected rights, some restrictions

A deal: no influence, less trading power fewer benefits, fewer protected rights, some restrictions

No deal: no influence, very weak trading position, no benefits, no protected rights, and whatever our government decide to impose

It’s like people have voted to push through something they’re claiming we already have and are complaining about. It’s bizarre.

There is no possible deal that’s as good as what we have right now. How much does it take for people to realise this?

There is no ransom.
There are rules & process.
This is how grown up countries work. They meet their obligations.

I saw a Breaking News ticker across the bottom of Sky at around 18.45 saying that BJ had suggested a way around the Backstop would be a Common Agricultural Area for Ireland and Northern Ireland. Nothing about it since then. Isn't that more or less what the WA agreement had?

I believe DUP has loudly rejected that. However, their support isn't worth much now, anyway.

I wonder if Stephen Kinnock's amendment will proceed & what it means? Why is Gove grinning like Cheshire cat over it? Irk.

This is exactly why we should never have had the referendum as it was. The Leave that they promised in the campaign was never deliverable. So now BJ is stuck trying to deliver the undeliverable. I have no sympathy. I also hate DC with a passion for putting the country into this mess with an ill-thought-out referendum that he just assumed would have a different result than it did.

It also really worries me how people are being manipulated to think in certain ways. I've noticed trends in what Leavers say in the comments on news stories. It's clear that there has been a campaign to push an idea. The most obvious one was the switch from people saying that there would be a deal, and to say that there wouldn't be was part of project fear, to saying that no deal would be the best outcome and it's what they voted for. People convinced it was what they wanted all along.

...and that there could be a glorious deal if only the EU weren't being so horrible and refusing to negotiate

It also really worries me how people are being manipulated to think in certain ways. I've noticed trends in what Leavers say in the comments on news stories. It's clear that there has been a campaign to push an idea. The most obvious one was the switch from people saying that there would be a deal, and to say that there wouldn't be was part of project fear, to saying that no deal would be the best outcome and it's what they voted for. People convinced it was what they wanted all along.

When I chat with Brexiteers, I find it is so like talking to someone in a cult, its hard to believe. Everyone who is negative about No deal is 'bias' whether its doctors, importers, scientists etc. Remainers are the only reason it won't be a success. I just have to have faith. One Brexiteer told me, his life would not be affected by Brexit at all - but it was his identity at stake...

You only have to read history to see how easily most of the population can be manipulated.

Brexit - our own Hotel California

We could always have a second referendum on the withdrawal agreement already negotiated by our own government, with the option of staying in the EU if we don’t like it.

Alternatively, parliament could just back the withdrawal agreement as the least worst option and get on with negotiating our future relationship with the EU. Rory Stewart is right about this.

Deathgrip I agree. I think the key issue, underneath all the bluster about ‘sovereignty’ is freedom of movement. We could address this if we wanted to with legally enforceable sector-based minimum wages, effectively going back to the model of the Agricultural Wages Council.

Scrapped by the conservatives in 2013, it was the last remaining tripartite wage council.

Obviously you also need effective enforcement and proper penalties. And a means of differentiating between different sectors.

You only need these wage councils and per sector minimum wages in those sectors where individual bargaining is weak eg warehouse picking and packing, construction, care work.

Enforcement and penalties could be based on the NMW model - we already have good basic structures in place to build on eg the inspectorate under the gang masters licensing authority but they need more money.

It’s about accepting more and better wage regulation in the lower paid, more precarious sectors where workers have no bargaining power. That’s the key to overcoming objections to free movement imho.

We could have another referendum.
There is absolutely nothing stopping any government from doing this.

So.. to recap the noews today.

No Deal is now illegal unless parliament agrees to it

Parliament won't agree to No Deal

Parliament won't agree to The Deal

The EU won't offer Another Deal

The electorate voted Leave

The elected representatives want to Remain

And no bugger wants to act like a grown up - THREE FUCKING YEARS!!!!!

A shit show, total shambles and yes Hotel Bleedin' California!

CuriousAboutSamphire and to add, who's going to ask the EU for another extension? Presumably we would need a different PM to do/authorise that? It seems that the result is now that Boris sits and does nothing and the exit date comes and the UK is out.

So the "rebels" will have effectively prevented any negotiations to avoid a no deal (and its perfectly normal for negotiations to go right down to the wire) and have prevented a General Election.

I disagree with the person who suggested prison. Out of some consideration for other prisoners.

The EU would I think consider an alternative deal, around the backstop only applying in Northern Ireland and some form of common customs arrangement. Though it is for the UK to propose not just sit on their hands or make demands they know are unacceptable.

I think the EU would agree to an extension to allow a November general election. They remember his time as a journalist and some of the tall stories he wrote.

Headline in the Spiegel online is - "Brexit chaos, it would be sad if it wasn't so entertaining"... There's an editorial refering to him as the gamer king...

@QualCheckBot, they haven’t prevented a GE. They’re more than happy to have one once Johnson can no longer pull a no deal fast one.

No, they're more than happy to have one when they cannot be circumvented themselves. The GE was supposed to get round the non acceptance of Any Deal... force everyone to act like grown ups (yeah, I know) Now they don't have to accept any deal at all and can go to the polls saying "We told you so" and "We can fix it, yes we fucking can" They can literally have their cake and eat it - if we are stupd enough to belive ANY OF THEM!

BOTH sides have worked hard to pull out a stalemate. It's not a victory for anyone! And tomorrow they'll all be spinning it like crazy... hoping we will all forget what they said yesterday!

There is no right and wrong here, there hasn't been for about 2 years. There's only different versions of the unattainable and even more of ways not to give the electorate what it wants - whether you want to leave or to have another referendum or to accept The Deal... you can't have it... cos They won't agree to it!

Why are you blaming Corbyn?
He isn't in charge.
Blame Cameron for allowing thick people to make a decision about which they don't know enough.
Blame the Conservatives for allowing the government to plough blindly along, instead of saying "no we are not doing it. They did this with stuudent loans and have done it with countless other things when it suits them.
Blame Teresa May's government for being childish and stupid and selfish for not supporting her.
Blame the adulterous, lying, millionaire Boris Johnson for lining his own pockets out of this.

If I was Cornyn I would not agree to anything what so ever what BJ proposed.
I would sit there and say "nah."
Then in private I would say " go and fuck yourself Johnson, hell will freeze over before I ever vote in your favour. "