I'm wondering what boris is meant to do?

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The referendum result was leave .

The EU will not renegotiate but parliament wouldn't back the only deal available.

Now they won't back leaving at all.

The result was leave. Johnson promised to deliver that result.

So what now ?
There is No solution to this fuck up is there?

I know mn is primarily anti leave but for me the result was what it was and should be honoured. How many bites of the cherry should people get?

And not one party agrees with anything anyway. The EU will NOT negotiate so what are the options that the rebel MPs would like ?
Ignore the vote and pretend it didn't happen?

I am so sick of Brexit. David Cameron should be put in the stocks....

Forgive my naivety but ignoring the option to stay in the EU which had been made clear they won't do, there are 2 options available:

1. Go with the withdrawal agreement that TM presented
2. Crash out with no deal at the end of October

Why did Parliament get a vote on option 1 and rejected it but there isn't a vote on option 2? Unless I've missed something?

It seems highly logical that parliament is finding difficult to reach a position that they can all agree on. This seems to reflect the referendum outcome. A four percent majority is hardly a ringing endorsment. Add in that MPs now have a much clearer idea of what leaving will actually mean and it looks like a perfect storm.

The person I feel really sorry for is Ken Clarke. He has been a faithful servant to his constituents and the Tory party for 39 years and yet last night he was forced to sacrifice his position in order to stop a No Deal Brexit.

This from a man who is a massive Europhile but who supported the deal 3 times in order to help the country move on.

I hope he and the other ousted Tories stand as independents and beat the parachuted in Tories at the next election

I love all this 52/48 crap.
Nobody ever mentions the millions who were so indifferent whether we stayed in of left that they couldn’t even be arsed to vote!!
Factor them in and 37% of those eligible to vote wanted to leave. A majority?!
Politicians just ignore that because they owe their working lives and fat salaries to minority votes just getting them elected or into power.
Democracy does not exist in the UK!!!

I hope the constituency parties of the 22 Conservatives who were kicked out refuse to deselect them.

The brexit you were promised is undeliverable

This this this.

What Boris should do is show some honesty for once in his life and admit the Leave campaign (and presumably therefore the Leave vote) was based on a hopelessly optimistic view of what deal would be achieveable.

Chances of that happening? Snowball in hell.

@Noextremes2017 Or the 16/17 year olds who were unable to vote but whose future it is.

Rory Stewart’s party chairmen has just been interviewed. He says they want to keep Rory, if they’re not allowed to, then they’ll encourage him to stand as an independent Conservative and campaign and vote for him.

To all the people who thought Boris was a laugh and didn't take him seriously - shame on you. To all the political interviewers who didn't call him and his fellow cabinet to account for the lies they told over the 3 years- shame on you.

"Forgive my naivety but ignoring the option to stay in the EU which had been made clear they won't do, there are 2 options available:

1. Go with the withdrawal agreement that TM presented
2. Crash out with no deal at the end of October"

There are lots of options: Boris needs to move Mays arbitrary red lines. The EU have always said that they are prepared for new negotiations in that case. They are only refusing new negotiations on the current "red lines" stating that the WA is what was agreed on that basis.

Good for them!

FFS! Can we stop with all of that now?

The brexit you were promised is undeliverable But wasn't it a surprise that more than 50% of those eligible to vote, who bothered to get up and go vote, didn't care, they wanted out anyway?

the 16/17 year olds who were unable to vote but whose future it is. Well, we were all that age and voteless at one time, includeing the time the vote to join was taken. That is how time works.. in one direction!

You're as bad as the politicians.. SNP bloke on Jeremy Vine a short while ago "I am protecting Scotland's right to stay in the EU so will keep voting down [whatver is suggested]"

That is the mindset of almost everybody in this bloody debate! IT WON'T WORK WHILST NOBODY WANTS TO COMPROMISE which is why we are where we are.

Scotland is more important than the rest of the UK.. to the Scots
Ireland is more important than the rest of the UK.. to the Irish

Scottish ministrs still tak about Scotland beng ndependent and staying in th the EU - well, the EU laughed and aid no! Get real!

The Irish have a Sword of bloody Damocles over their heads, that some are whipping up into renewed hatred - which is unforgivable!

Hello? Hello? Wales???? Where are you Wales?? Speak up!

Engand? We are where we usually are - sat in the naughty corner, usually wearing a Dunces cap (that is Scottish, by the way, nothing to to with dunce. John Duns Scotus, 13th Century, invented it to channel knowedge from God IN to the brain)

Whatever we do we ALL need to stop with the poky finger and blame games. Tell our elected oliticians to do the same.

I suspect my Tory representative is sick of hearing from me, especially as we have met and he knows I didn't vote for him, ever!

I very much doubt all the Conservative members in Rory Stewart's constituency would vote for him as an independent. Some may, maybe most but it would be very surprising if that was the only Tory constituency with no Brexiteers. I don't think Boris and the cabinet should expel him and the others though.

He said he’d deliver Brexit ‘do or die’. It sure as hell is not ‘do’, so ...

The number of voting party members in Stewart's constituency probably isn't massive, it's often no more than a few dozen, so it wouldn't shock me at all to see the local party back him. However the question is whether the wider electorate would. If Labour and the Remain Alliance have any sense, they would not run candidates against him.

@MaximusHeadroom
Ken Clarke has been an MP for 49 years (1970) which just makes his expulsion even more shocking.

His local association chairman was on the radio sounding like a robot programmed by Cummings. At least Rory Stewart has got local support.

Given that Rory Stewart was announced as GQ’s politician of the year this morning (oh, the irony) and he’s on the left of his party, I suspect many people who have never voted Tory before will vote for him and he’ll be a shoo in. In fact, I might just put some money on it.

When Cameron scuttled off with his tail between his legs it should have just been overturned and this shit show would have been forgotten about by now.

@SansaSnark It's like he actively wants the UK to crash out completely unprepared... and I wonder why he would want that to happen.

I agree. I just don't get it!

It's like he actively wants the UK to crash out completely unprepared... and I wonder why he would want that to happen Well, yes! And, outside MN there are any number of people who agree wth him - you hear them quite regularly if you live in an overwhelmingly Leave area.

They all have reasons, even ones you won't understand let alone agree with, for thinking so. That has been the problem all along. ALmost exaclty 50% split and neither side accepts the emotional response of the other and don't give creedance to the other side's reasoning.

You see Leavers being hounded and ridiculed here... other sites see Remainers getting the same treatment. In all instances the beleagured half shut up and the site gains an echo chmber! Nobody learns, everybody remans entrenched in their initial jusdgement - and lets face it almost EVERYBODY's first reaction was an emotional one... facts to back it up came later, mainly because so few people had ever thought much about it in much depth before the referendum was announced.

CuriousaboutSamphire
Nobody learns, everybody remans entrenched in their initial jusdgement - and lets face it almost EVERYBODY's first reaction was an emotional one... facts to back it up came later, mainly because so few people had ever thought much about it in much depth before the referendum was announced.

Which only goes to show just what a bad idea it was in the first place.

I can't believe how David Cameron was just allowed to smugly walk away from the mess of his creation. His name hardly ever gets a mention and certainly not with the criticism it deserves.

I know the stereotype is unfair and all that, but some Leavers really are thick racists (I met several the morning after the referendum, gloating. Fuckers. They were telling some of my colleagues to "go back where they came from" - er, Commonwealth countries!). Others are reasonable people who believed the likes of the glossy booklet that came through the door telling us "the facts about membership of the EU". I thought this was the official government line, and after a quick glance handed the booklet to DS as he said he did not feel informed about the issue. Having read it, he asked why anyone would want to stay in the EU? I said what?! Grabbed the thing, read it properly this time, and realised it was produced by Leave.UK. Never saw an official government leaflet, not even a little cheap looking one. Or any Remain literature at all, come to think of it. How can people make their minds up sensibly given only one side of the story? I do remember the unspeakable Osborne threatening the country with a punitive Budget if it dared to vote out, but as we were thoroughly used to punitive Budgets from him it was not much of a deterrent really.

I'm also boycotting Wetherspoon's permanently now, a shame because our local one is nice, since they put Leave propaganda booklets on each table (as well as one through my letterbox). Proper spoiled my birthday lunch, that did. To be fair, I wouldn't have been very impressed even if it had been a political tract I agreed with.

Nigel Farage said before the referendum, and has repeatedly been quoted on it, that '52-48 would be unfinished business'. I agree.

What Mr Johnson should do, is be a decent and honest prime minister, respecting parliamentary procedures. Of course, he's not able to do that, he's a proven lifelong liar. Read Sonia Purnell's book Just Boris - a Tale of Blond Ambition. She worked closely with him and knows what she's talking about.

Even his sister Rachel said in public 'He's a nasty piece of work'. As a completely degenerate specimen of homo sapiens, Boris Johnson should be in a zoo.

@CuriousaboutSamphire

Ireland is more important than the rest of the UK.. to the Irish

Fuck me

Did we invade Ireland last night?!

Clearly JRM had a very busy nap time.

An article in New York Times today succinctly explained brexit and how we are in such a mess. Although it sees no obvious way out.