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To find this friend so difficult??

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butterfly220 · 30/08/2019 22:22

[name changed, sorry for the long post- trying not to drip feed. I feel like I have an endless amount I could say as this has been bothering me for so long!]

I have always thought I was quite a patient person but I am finding this friend really, really grating! I don't know if it's me, and I'm letting it get to me unreasonably or if this would get on the nerves of even the most patient person in the world!

We work together, and I can't really change that any time soon and in our context it would be very very difficult to distance myself.

Basically this friend will stick to me like glue for the entire work day- copying absolutely everything I do. I find this exhausting and very irritating, but when I try and call her out on it she always says she has low confidence and isn't sure what she's doing so I can kind of see why the copying is coming about (although I think she's perfectly competent and intelligent enough to do it on her own). But I do mean copying absolutely everything, like snatching things off me to see what I've written to write the exact same thing. I find I'm really doing her job as well as my own a lot of the time because when we are doing something different she'll bring things to me and ask me to do it- and then always takes any credit for herself I should add! I know I shouldn't let it get to me but when I've done something she's asked me to do, then someone comes and says to her that it was great etc. She'll just say "oh thanks!" even when I'm right there. I have tried to talk to her about this but she gets very emotional and always ends up with her making me feel bad or unsupportive. I feel like I spend 90% of my time trying to make her feel better, I often feel a lot like her counsellor and go home very emotionally drained. Everything is always very centred on her, for instance when she had a review at work (just general targets etc.) and it went well I thought it was a great opportunity to build her confidence and I went on about how brilliant it was, reiterating all the positive feedback etc. We talked about it for ages. Then when I had mine, I came back and as soon as I sat down she said please could I not tell her what they said because she didn't want to know what they'd said because she thought it would make her feel bad. I said okay and there was silence for a while as we worked and then she said can you just say yes or no to did it go well? I said it was fine and then she actually said "I don't want to sound like a bad friend but I think it'd make me feel a lot better about myself if yours hadn't gone well"Confused. It's always very focussed on her. If anyone says anything that's not 100% positive to her (even just a casual neutral comment) she's distraught and the entire day is spent trying to rationalise it with her. She is very negative which I find very draining. She normally greets me every day with "how are you?" Then when I say I'm fine and ask how she is she says "not great, I cried all night again." She always says this very matter of factly and kind of expectantly waits for my sympathy if that makes sense. She does keep saying she doesn't think the job is for her and I said I did think she should quit if it's making her feel so down but then straight away she's saying I'm saying that because I don't want to work with her/ I think she's crap at her job etc. So then I spend a lot of time reassuring her that that isn't true.

I think I could cope with this if it was just during work and I could escape from it at home but out of work she will message me all of the time asking me what I'm doing, who I'm with etc. If I don't immediately reply she will keep messaging me question marks, then I get "I'm getting really worried now, please respond." Then phone calls! Even if it's only been 10 minutes since her first text. If I reply and say, for instance, I'm out shopping. Then I'll get a barrage of questions about where, who with, what am I buying. She also always tries to invite herself to whatever plans I have. If I'm going to a friend's house- she'll ask if she can come. Despite never having met my friend. I have to politely explain that it's really just a catch up with an old friend and I didn't really feel like I could bring along someone who my other friend has never met. I was going to see a member of my family for their birthday- she wanted to come.

She is happily married and does have her own friends! I thought maybe she was just lonely and wanted to increase her social circle and thought maybe that would help, so I invited her to a meal out with a friend of mine a while ago and I regretted it so much so I'd really rather not do that again. She cried because they got her order wrong, and this made my friend very uncomfortable. She behaved quite oddly throughout, just was very intense. She also immediately added my friend on Facebook (along with other friends of mine that she's not met) and now messages her all of the time, similar to the way she messages me. At work she also keeps bringing my friend up as "her friend" when talking to other people (she's only met her this one time). I don't really care about this but it's just so odd. She also sought out other people in my life to "befriend" who again she's never met, like someone I used to work with really briefly who she messaged and asked for the phone number of?? My friends then ask me about it and I don't really know what to say or how to explain it. The thing is, she is a nice person and I know she does struggle with her mental health (she is on medication and having therapy) and I do want to be supportive and try and help her- it's just getting harder and harder. I don't think anything I'm doing is helping her because if anything she's getting worse!

She's quite a bit older than me (I'm mid twenties) but I often feel like I'm back at school because there's constantly some "drama" she needs consoling about. I basically want to know if I'm BU or overreacting (as she seems to believe, when I've brought anything up with her) or if anyone has experienced anything like this before and has any advice for coping with it? I'd like to be a good friend to her but also can't cope with the stress and drama this brings if it continues unabated!

OP posts:
regmover · 03/09/2019 19:09

Go to whoever the manager is tomorrow and tell them what she's done with your work. Don't confront her, go straight to the boss. I'm hoping that somewhere, maybe on your computer, you have proof that you produced it, but honestly even if you can't it would be such an strange thing that I think most managers would believe you.

Fuckface7 · 03/09/2019 19:12

I second going straight to management. Getting into a debate with her about this may drag you even further into her quagmire of craziness.

PrivacyOne · 03/09/2019 19:15

Can I suggest you consider texting her along the lines of “Oi! I want my work back”? Let it play out in writing so you can just hand your phone over on Thursday - especially if you can prove this piece of work is yours. Also, that way you can keep it relatively emotionless and appear reasonable despite being so angry (which I would be). Just a thought. If you rise to her bait and lose it, even if it’s just once, it will bite you on the arse. It’s a war of attrition. You have my sympathy! Gin

EssentialHummus · 03/09/2019 19:16

Wow. OP when you go into the meeting/ahead of it, make sure this person has a written account from you detailing all these things. Otherwise there’s so much going on that the detail may get lost. I hope the meeting is fruitful, this sounds like a very difficult situation.

mankyfourthtoe · 03/09/2019 19:20

Can I suggest that you do that thing where you work has a digital print of where it's stored on your computer. Can't remember it's name , digital signature?

BlueJava · 03/09/2019 19:22

Gosh she seems awful! You must definitely go to HR and discuss her behaviour and see how they can help; also talk to them about her behaviour outside of work and tell them you'll be blocking her and not replying to her calls (then stick to it). If she says anything just say you are busy. If HR aren't helpful then suggest that you change partners and see what they can do. Please don't let her emotionally bully you into answering texts and calls especially outside work.

CuriousMama · 03/09/2019 19:24

Roll on Thursday!

Branleuse · 03/09/2019 19:27

Change jobs and change your name. Shes bloody weird

serenoa · 03/09/2019 19:44

If it's Microsoft Office you're using, it's quite easy to put field codes into your documents and those field codes read specific information about your system, your personal data if you want, and you can stamp every page of your work with that information.

If you then format the field codes as 'hidden' then it won't show up on screen or in print but you will know that information is there, and you can unhide it to prove that it's yours. If you have IT support they should be able to produce evidence from the network showing when a specific document was first created, among other things, and who created it as well as other stuff that might prove your ownership.

I haven't used MS Office for more than 15 years but had a look at Office 365 for a week recently then cancelled my subscription. It still does the field code stuff and hidden text described above, though.

Your co-worker's behaviour is so weird and off-the-wall I wonder whether she needs specialist diagnosis. I've never heard of a management tolerating anything remotely like this.

MaryPopppins · 03/09/2019 19:47

I'm glad you've got a meeting scheduled.

But may I suggest you get to work an hour early tomorrow.

Take your stuff back. Watermark it or whatever. Get proof all ready etc.

I mean I wouldn't be surprised if this crazy bitch is planning the same move.

Get yourself a nice coffee and pastry or something to have as a breakfast in work. Play it off all sweet and chipper and don't mention taking anything down/back from her.

As she'd have to admit to stealing it to accuse you of taking it.

Then talk to whoever the interim boss is tomorrow as soon as they walk in the door.

Even take photographic proof of the stealing before you take it back from her wall.

Sorrysorrysosorry · 03/09/2019 19:52

deny everything and claim it's hers ( I can prove otherwise)

That would be brilliant because as you can prove it is yours she will be digging herself a huge hole.

notmuchmoretogive · 03/09/2019 19:56

Please do not text her. In the same way that you need her to respect your boundaries you must also do the same. I am not saying she deserves your respect but if you want to be professional then I think you need to only communicate professionally. She absolutely should not ever contact you except through business avenues (no mobile, no social media etc)

I cannot believe she stole your work. It happened to me once, was horrible.

JesusInTheCabbageVan · 03/09/2019 20:11

I like Privacy's idea. Also, can you take photos of it on her wall?

JesusInTheCabbageVan · 03/09/2019 20:13

Sorry Mary, that wasn't me stealing your work Blush

MaryPopppins · 03/09/2019 20:15

Haha. The work stealing is spreading!

I'll report you to management. X

3luckystars · 03/09/2019 20:26

Don't be distracted if she is invited to any meeting.

Stick to 3 important points and do not discuss anything else no matter what is said.

Like:
She is unable to do her job and constantly at me to help her
She is harassing me at home
She is stealing my work

Write down your 3 points.

Stay calm calm calm at the meeting.
Keep repeating your 3 points.

Find your 3 most important points and write them.down tonight and do not be distracted

You are doing great.

ScrubbyDubby · 03/09/2019 20:46

I’m really late to this thread but bloody hell OP what a saint you have been to put up with her, just reading your first post exhausted me and I cannot believe she has stolen your work, I am so angry for you and really hope you can find a way forward in your meeting on Thursday.

Won’t add to some of the excellent advice you’ve had, but I’m so pleased you are able to raise this issue at work and I’m rooting for you. I hope you can be free of her very soon.

carlywurly · 03/09/2019 21:32

Op please be careful. She's sensed the change (they always do) and Is goading you to get a reaction she can use in some way against you. Gather evidence and use it. I wouldn't confront if you can't guarantee things will stay calm.

She sounds totally and utterly batshit and you have my utmost sympathy.

Gruzinkerbell1 · 03/09/2019 21:35

What Carly said ^

Get into work a little earlier tomorrow, take your work from above her desk, and don’t say another word about it. Don’t argue with her, she will twist it and portray you as the bully.

She’s left it there on purpose to antagonise you.

ElektraUnchained · 03/09/2019 21:35

She sounds like she might have some sort of personality disorder. Be very wary and make sure you have as much evidence as possible.

Gruzinkerbell1 · 03/09/2019 21:36

You can’t argue with crazy. Keep her as far away from you as you possibly can.

Daftapath · 03/09/2019 21:45

I would be tempted to go in early, photograph the wall with your work and just leave it there u TIL after your meeting on Thursday. She will just wonder why then and you will put her on the back foot.

I agree with documenting as much of her previous shenanigans as you can between now and the meeting. Write dates, and what she said and any screen shots of copies of emails, how you responded and how she makes you feel, etc.
Good luck op.

loveautum · 03/09/2019 21:47

I agree with @Gruzinkerbell1 she's taking this to another level and clearly knows you are seeing her for who she really is. I'd be careful now as she done this before with the ex colleague will start to put together a case against you. I'd remove the work off the wall (take a picture on your phone before removing) and then continue as if nothing has happened, stick to your boundaries and speak to the manager about it all.

BoomyBooms · 03/09/2019 22:25

Actual nightmare. Makes me exhausted/want to vom just reading it. You've got to start installing boundaries, there is no other option. But you'll have to be tough, because she will resist those boundaries and you will see worse behaviour for a while- whatever has worked before she will try again ie crying, guilt tripping etc.

Sounds a bit personality disorderish?

Try some of these lines:

"I've already shown you how to do that, you did it last week remember?"
"If I help with this are you putting my name down as author too?"
"Sorry, I don't have time to help you I have too much to get done myself"
"Don't know how to do it? Just have a go"
"You don't need to follow me to the photocopier"

For your free time you could lie and say you're avoiding screen time in the evenings. Or when she sends pushy texts angling for fast replies just tell her to not expect you to reply quickly and then just dont- if she then blows up your phone anyway you can say "why have you sent me six texts when I told you I was busy/I don't like to text as much as you/this is not an emergency situation and I am trying to relax"

Basically op you're going to have to be less nice and stand up for yourself more. It will feel like you're being mean but you're not!

CoraPirbright · 03/09/2019 22:27

If you have an immediate manager that is chopping and changing, can you go further up the line ie more senior? Who dealt with the poor colleague who went off sick? Can you go to them? Everything you tell them will be horribly familiar to them...

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