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To find this friend so difficult??

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butterfly220 · 30/08/2019 22:22

[name changed, sorry for the long post- trying not to drip feed. I feel like I have an endless amount I could say as this has been bothering me for so long!]

I have always thought I was quite a patient person but I am finding this friend really, really grating! I don't know if it's me, and I'm letting it get to me unreasonably or if this would get on the nerves of even the most patient person in the world!

We work together, and I can't really change that any time soon and in our context it would be very very difficult to distance myself.

Basically this friend will stick to me like glue for the entire work day- copying absolutely everything I do. I find this exhausting and very irritating, but when I try and call her out on it she always says she has low confidence and isn't sure what she's doing so I can kind of see why the copying is coming about (although I think she's perfectly competent and intelligent enough to do it on her own). But I do mean copying absolutely everything, like snatching things off me to see what I've written to write the exact same thing. I find I'm really doing her job as well as my own a lot of the time because when we are doing something different she'll bring things to me and ask me to do it- and then always takes any credit for herself I should add! I know I shouldn't let it get to me but when I've done something she's asked me to do, then someone comes and says to her that it was great etc. She'll just say "oh thanks!" even when I'm right there. I have tried to talk to her about this but she gets very emotional and always ends up with her making me feel bad or unsupportive. I feel like I spend 90% of my time trying to make her feel better, I often feel a lot like her counsellor and go home very emotionally drained. Everything is always very centred on her, for instance when she had a review at work (just general targets etc.) and it went well I thought it was a great opportunity to build her confidence and I went on about how brilliant it was, reiterating all the positive feedback etc. We talked about it for ages. Then when I had mine, I came back and as soon as I sat down she said please could I not tell her what they said because she didn't want to know what they'd said because she thought it would make her feel bad. I said okay and there was silence for a while as we worked and then she said can you just say yes or no to did it go well? I said it was fine and then she actually said "I don't want to sound like a bad friend but I think it'd make me feel a lot better about myself if yours hadn't gone well"Confused. It's always very focussed on her. If anyone says anything that's not 100% positive to her (even just a casual neutral comment) she's distraught and the entire day is spent trying to rationalise it with her. She is very negative which I find very draining. She normally greets me every day with "how are you?" Then when I say I'm fine and ask how she is she says "not great, I cried all night again." She always says this very matter of factly and kind of expectantly waits for my sympathy if that makes sense. She does keep saying she doesn't think the job is for her and I said I did think she should quit if it's making her feel so down but then straight away she's saying I'm saying that because I don't want to work with her/ I think she's crap at her job etc. So then I spend a lot of time reassuring her that that isn't true.

I think I could cope with this if it was just during work and I could escape from it at home but out of work she will message me all of the time asking me what I'm doing, who I'm with etc. If I don't immediately reply she will keep messaging me question marks, then I get "I'm getting really worried now, please respond." Then phone calls! Even if it's only been 10 minutes since her first text. If I reply and say, for instance, I'm out shopping. Then I'll get a barrage of questions about where, who with, what am I buying. She also always tries to invite herself to whatever plans I have. If I'm going to a friend's house- she'll ask if she can come. Despite never having met my friend. I have to politely explain that it's really just a catch up with an old friend and I didn't really feel like I could bring along someone who my other friend has never met. I was going to see a member of my family for their birthday- she wanted to come.

She is happily married and does have her own friends! I thought maybe she was just lonely and wanted to increase her social circle and thought maybe that would help, so I invited her to a meal out with a friend of mine a while ago and I regretted it so much so I'd really rather not do that again. She cried because they got her order wrong, and this made my friend very uncomfortable. She behaved quite oddly throughout, just was very intense. She also immediately added my friend on Facebook (along with other friends of mine that she's not met) and now messages her all of the time, similar to the way she messages me. At work she also keeps bringing my friend up as "her friend" when talking to other people (she's only met her this one time). I don't really care about this but it's just so odd. She also sought out other people in my life to "befriend" who again she's never met, like someone I used to work with really briefly who she messaged and asked for the phone number of?? My friends then ask me about it and I don't really know what to say or how to explain it. The thing is, she is a nice person and I know she does struggle with her mental health (she is on medication and having therapy) and I do want to be supportive and try and help her- it's just getting harder and harder. I don't think anything I'm doing is helping her because if anything she's getting worse!

She's quite a bit older than me (I'm mid twenties) but I often feel like I'm back at school because there's constantly some "drama" she needs consoling about. I basically want to know if I'm BU or overreacting (as she seems to believe, when I've brought anything up with her) or if anyone has experienced anything like this before and has any advice for coping with it? I'd like to be a good friend to her but also can't cope with the stress and drama this brings if it continues unabated!

OP posts:
titnomatani · 04/09/2019 04:08

Go into work early, fire off an email to HR and your manager about ongoing concerns you've had for a while and how things have escalated- say you have evidence and want to keep this discreet until you've had your say. She is not going to go quietly- she'll try her best to ruin you before IF it ever happens. Protect yourself 'officially' by going to management first. Be prepared to be gaslighted by hr/management though (some are sh*t scared of taking on anyone with known MH issues) and start looking for alternative employment or have a plan B in any case.

bellainthemiddle · 04/09/2019 04:47

OP, you sound so lovely, but this is not on! It does sound like she has an unhealthy obsession with you and your life. I don't want to be alarmist, but I think you definitely, definitely should seek help on how to deal with this one.

I can completely see that you'd feel guilty to cut her dead (and it sounds like that wouldn't really be practical), but there will be another way, I promise you. Brainstorm a bit about what your possibilities are. Maybe open up to RL friends who know your work situation a little better, and ask them for advice too?

Good luck and hugs!

TwoCanPlayAtThatGame · 04/09/2019 06:05

I agree with those who have said this is in response to her realising you are beginning to see her for who she is. She'll have seen it many times before; you won't be the first. She'll be hyper vigilant and hyper aware of the 'tells'.

This is also the beginning of her attempt to 'destroy' you. You need to stay calm (and I know how difficult that is) because, despite all the emotional outbursts you've seen so far, she will be. Inside, she will be cold and calcuated - she'd have to be to steal your work and claim it as her own. Can you imagine the sheer nerve that would take?

Document everything now.

It's great you have a meeting on Thursday afternoon, but that's a fair way off. Don't imagine that this next day and a half will just pass by as usual. She's ramping it up now because she knows.

TwoCanPlayAtThatGame · 04/09/2019 06:09

I don't wish to alarm you either, but nothing she does now, in relation to you, will be benign.

I bet if you read back through your original post now, you're seeing it through completely different eyes aren't you?

She was relying on your desire to be a 'good friend' and exploited that. Now she sees that you are putting up boundaries between you and her and that you are starting to 'pull away' from her, her priority will be self protection and she won't actually care how she makes you look or how you feel or what happens to you as long as she is ok.

WelshMoth · 04/09/2019 06:49

Hope you're OK OP. This is exhausting enough to just read.

Have you managed to voice your concerns to your friend? The one that's been 'befriended' by this woman? Are they putting measures in place to minimise contact?

MaryPopppins · 04/09/2019 07:04

Good luck today OP.

Stay strong it's probably going to be a bit of a crazy one.

Are there any other work colleagues you can confide in a bit for some emotional back up?

eddielizzard · 04/09/2019 07:29

Yes, take photographic evidence. Cover your back all today and take notes of her unacceptable behaviour. She's unhinged, and now she knows you aren't dancing to her tune she'll escalate.

OrangeSwoosh · 04/09/2019 07:35

This thread kept me company during a sleepless night. I'm glad to see in the later pages that you're putting your foot down and getting something done about this. All these things that she's escalating to now (the recent texts, stealing work etc.) are just giving you more ammunition but she doesn't seem to have realised that yet.

Stay strong and be the one to put an end to this behaviour.

WhoKnewBeefStew · 04/09/2019 09:07

I presume the work is also on your pc and you printed it out, so you can prove it was yours? She obviously won't have it on her pc.

I'd also email her, or text, and ask for it back and ask why she took it. Hopefully she'll reply and then you have more proof it was our work.

She is utterly disgraceful

CatsCatsCats11 · 04/09/2019 09:11

Good luck today OP.

CuriousMama · 04/09/2019 09:17

She'll trip herself up no doubt.

ChangeItChild · 04/09/2019 09:31

You can use this latest 'work stealing' incident to end your friendship (her perceived friendship) with you.

Just say you are furious with her and do not wish to have anything to do with her outside work. Friendship over. Block her on everything - let her throw a tantrum about it! Just ignore her.

Please carry on talking to HR & management about the situation, try to get your partnership changed. Log everything that happens, keep a daily track. Is there any way you could find another job? I would in this situation, it's unbearable.

NettleTea · 04/09/2019 11:08

I hope something has happened positively by now OP

I think I would have gone in early, as suggested, but got the manager to come with you to show them your work on her wall, and challenge her about it

serenoa · 04/09/2019 13:30

The OP did say in a post on 1 September that her employer has no HR department and she is dependent on ordinary management doing anything to fix. Sorry, I don't know how to post a link to an earlier post..

Regarding the harassment outside work, an HR department wouldn't have any responsibiity to deal with this. HR is only there to advise managements how to deal with problems anyway, not to support the employee.

For harassment outside work, the National Stalking Helpline advises contacting the Police as a first step. I've been stalked, and to me the OP's posts suggest that this harassment is stalking, probably cyber-stalking.

I'm just hoping management takes the OP's complaint seriously, but I'm not optimistic.

WelshMoth · 04/09/2019 13:51

@ChangeItChild has a very good point. I second that.

dollydaydream114 · 04/09/2019 13:59

Regarding the harassment outside work, an HR department wouldn't have any responsibiity to deal with this. HR is only there to advise managements how to deal with problems anyway, not to support the employee.

I realise the employee doesn't have an HR department but while I agree an employer can't 'deal with' someone being harassed outside work, I do think they should know about it and be able to address it with both employees concerned. Essentially, an employer has a duty of care towards employees who are being bullied and harassed by colleagues, and excessive out of hours contact is part of that.

In a previous job of mine, there was an employee who did begin to bother a couple of his colleagues with specific types of contact outside work. This was definitely a factor when it came to the employer's handling of the situation, ie it was raised in the disciplinary proceedings against him and there were measures put in place to support the colleagues he'd been harassing/disturbing.

Strawberryletter24 · 04/09/2019 14:09

What. the. actual. fuck.

She's not quite the full ticket is she.

PuzzledObserver · 04/09/2019 14:17

OP, I’d like to suggest that if your PC at work is not password protected, that you do so now. Or if it is, then change your password. She may just be savvy and devious enough to jump on your PC, copy your work to a memory stick to transfer it to her own, then delete it from yours.

SandAndSea · 04/09/2019 14:23

OP, hope you're OK. Hang in there!

bellainthemiddle · 04/09/2019 14:41

She's starkers bonkers (to use a Marlovian expression!).

KingaRoo · 04/09/2019 15:05

How did it go yesterday OP?

Gottobefree · 04/09/2019 15:16

You need to start pulling away ... like now ! You need to create a barrier between her. She is no longer your friend, she is just your colleague now.

Reply to her messages 'sorry busy, talk tomorrow'. Don't ask her how she is or just be blunt in your replies back.
Start pushing her away with copying your work. Say 'you can do it now, if you want I can advise you' but do not let her copy.

You can still be supportive towards her but she is crossing some massive boundaries. Delete or hide certain facebook posts from her if needed as well

Strawberryletter24 · 04/09/2019 15:51

Changeitchild & welshmoth – the OP would be perfectly justified in doing this, but I think I'd be wary. This person sounds incredibly self-absorbed and highly capable of manipulative behaviour, I wonder if making it clear that the friendship was ending because of the copying would send her into full-on self-preservation mode, where she might seek to damage the OP's credibility and reputation in anticipation of being 'outed'. I think I'd be keeping my cards close to my chest and alerting others to her behaviour without giving her a chance to retaliate/pre-empt scrutiny by going on the offensive. She sounds both shameless and ruthless. Eeeesh I'm creeped out from here!!!! Sending support OP Flowers Cake Brew

serenoa · 04/09/2019 15:53

dollydaydream

Thank you. Can I ask, was yours a government department or agency? The colleague of mine who was affected by this kind of behaviour at and outside work, was in a big commercial company, offshoot of an American parent company. They ignored what happened outside work, simply drew a line between the two. She left for an equal status and slightly better paid position elsewhere.

Namechanger001 · 04/09/2019 16:17

I hope everything is okay OP. Please let us know how it's gone today. I hope you managed to speak to someone higher about all of this. As well as all of the weirdness outside of work If she isn't doing her own work and you're doing it then why should they keep her? I would hope they can get rid of her seeing as she's not doing what is expected after 2 years. You're the second person that she's affected and it's just not on.

This whole thing makes me mad on your behalf. It must be so stressful for you. 💐

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