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To find this friend so difficult??

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butterfly220 · 30/08/2019 22:22

[name changed, sorry for the long post- trying not to drip feed. I feel like I have an endless amount I could say as this has been bothering me for so long!]

I have always thought I was quite a patient person but I am finding this friend really, really grating! I don't know if it's me, and I'm letting it get to me unreasonably or if this would get on the nerves of even the most patient person in the world!

We work together, and I can't really change that any time soon and in our context it would be very very difficult to distance myself.

Basically this friend will stick to me like glue for the entire work day- copying absolutely everything I do. I find this exhausting and very irritating, but when I try and call her out on it she always says she has low confidence and isn't sure what she's doing so I can kind of see why the copying is coming about (although I think she's perfectly competent and intelligent enough to do it on her own). But I do mean copying absolutely everything, like snatching things off me to see what I've written to write the exact same thing. I find I'm really doing her job as well as my own a lot of the time because when we are doing something different she'll bring things to me and ask me to do it- and then always takes any credit for herself I should add! I know I shouldn't let it get to me but when I've done something she's asked me to do, then someone comes and says to her that it was great etc. She'll just say "oh thanks!" even when I'm right there. I have tried to talk to her about this but she gets very emotional and always ends up with her making me feel bad or unsupportive. I feel like I spend 90% of my time trying to make her feel better, I often feel a lot like her counsellor and go home very emotionally drained. Everything is always very centred on her, for instance when she had a review at work (just general targets etc.) and it went well I thought it was a great opportunity to build her confidence and I went on about how brilliant it was, reiterating all the positive feedback etc. We talked about it for ages. Then when I had mine, I came back and as soon as I sat down she said please could I not tell her what they said because she didn't want to know what they'd said because she thought it would make her feel bad. I said okay and there was silence for a while as we worked and then she said can you just say yes or no to did it go well? I said it was fine and then she actually said "I don't want to sound like a bad friend but I think it'd make me feel a lot better about myself if yours hadn't gone well"Confused. It's always very focussed on her. If anyone says anything that's not 100% positive to her (even just a casual neutral comment) she's distraught and the entire day is spent trying to rationalise it with her. She is very negative which I find very draining. She normally greets me every day with "how are you?" Then when I say I'm fine and ask how she is she says "not great, I cried all night again." She always says this very matter of factly and kind of expectantly waits for my sympathy if that makes sense. She does keep saying she doesn't think the job is for her and I said I did think she should quit if it's making her feel so down but then straight away she's saying I'm saying that because I don't want to work with her/ I think she's crap at her job etc. So then I spend a lot of time reassuring her that that isn't true.

I think I could cope with this if it was just during work and I could escape from it at home but out of work she will message me all of the time asking me what I'm doing, who I'm with etc. If I don't immediately reply she will keep messaging me question marks, then I get "I'm getting really worried now, please respond." Then phone calls! Even if it's only been 10 minutes since her first text. If I reply and say, for instance, I'm out shopping. Then I'll get a barrage of questions about where, who with, what am I buying. She also always tries to invite herself to whatever plans I have. If I'm going to a friend's house- she'll ask if she can come. Despite never having met my friend. I have to politely explain that it's really just a catch up with an old friend and I didn't really feel like I could bring along someone who my other friend has never met. I was going to see a member of my family for their birthday- she wanted to come.

She is happily married and does have her own friends! I thought maybe she was just lonely and wanted to increase her social circle and thought maybe that would help, so I invited her to a meal out with a friend of mine a while ago and I regretted it so much so I'd really rather not do that again. She cried because they got her order wrong, and this made my friend very uncomfortable. She behaved quite oddly throughout, just was very intense. She also immediately added my friend on Facebook (along with other friends of mine that she's not met) and now messages her all of the time, similar to the way she messages me. At work she also keeps bringing my friend up as "her friend" when talking to other people (she's only met her this one time). I don't really care about this but it's just so odd. She also sought out other people in my life to "befriend" who again she's never met, like someone I used to work with really briefly who she messaged and asked for the phone number of?? My friends then ask me about it and I don't really know what to say or how to explain it. The thing is, she is a nice person and I know she does struggle with her mental health (she is on medication and having therapy) and I do want to be supportive and try and help her- it's just getting harder and harder. I don't think anything I'm doing is helping her because if anything she's getting worse!

She's quite a bit older than me (I'm mid twenties) but I often feel like I'm back at school because there's constantly some "drama" she needs consoling about. I basically want to know if I'm BU or overreacting (as she seems to believe, when I've brought anything up with her) or if anyone has experienced anything like this before and has any advice for coping with it? I'd like to be a good friend to her but also can't cope with the stress and drama this brings if it continues unabated!

OP posts:
Smelborp · 03/09/2019 09:29

Great that she sent those emails.

Talking about work into the evening and giving you her work to do doesn’t allow you any downtime, is borderline harassment and is good evidence. Any HR person worth their salt would see this as unacceptable, let alone the fact it’s been going on for years!

CoraPirbright · 03/09/2019 09:35

Yes as Smelborp says - brilliant evidence. Screen shot and print. In fact, screenshot and print everything you have had from her in the last month (I sincerely hope you still have it all) - I bet the paper will be an enormous wedge!

I agree with others - do mention it to your interim manager. Start that ball rolling. Book an appt with HR - they will have all the evidence from the poor woman who had to sign of sick and it will be uncannily similar to what you are saying.

chilling19 · 03/09/2019 09:51

MaryPoppins wow , that blog was a roller coaster!

NettleTea · 03/09/2019 09:54

It is also pertinant to add that you doing her work for her is not helping her, if she is genuinely wanting to look good. It may be beneficial for you to have a few runs at handholding her through doing some, but ensuring SHE actually does it, as a counter ruse. She then cannot complain that you are preventing her helping, and you are doing what they said 'helping' her after the other colleague left.
after all this time she should be on her own feet by now, not relying on you to do it all. And if she is really struggling maybe you could make a list of all the stuff she still having problems with so she can get training in those areas.

yes you know its bullshit now and she is a manipulative cow, but you need to play clever before she stabs you in the back.

Bookworm4 · 03/09/2019 10:18

OP had said there’s NO HR

3luckystars · 03/09/2019 10:21

Is she definitely married? What do you know about her really.

It sounds very unusual for someone married (and she must have other family) to have this much time for harassing you.

Cut her off and don't look back. Good luck with work.

StormTreader · 03/09/2019 10:30

She has been used to all of these tactics working beautifully to keep you exactly where she wants you, and will no doubt be utterly baffled and frustrated that suddenly they don't seem to be working any more.

Prepare for a HUGE escalation of everything in her power to bring you "back into line".
Stay firm, bunker down, get through it, otherwise this will all be wasted and you'll just teach her that she can break you back in if she hammers it long and hard enough.

dollybooo · 03/09/2019 10:31

@3luckystars I second what you have raised.

I mean she seems to have a lot of time to pest OP & wanting to. ' be going the places OP goes' people with families should be / mostly are busy with family time & family duties at times out of work.

Drum2018 · 03/09/2019 10:48

Wow. What a bloody nightmare colleague she is. I agree with pp who suggested talking to your short term boss and then I'd suggest following that chat up with an email outlining what you discussed - 'Afternoon short term boss, As per this mornings meeting/chat I just wish to confirm the points we discussed ...' and then bullet point whatever you spoke about and what the boss said while it's fresh in your head. That way its there in black and white. Hope you manage to stand your ground today. Reiterate that you have your own workload to get through so she needs to do the same. And if she brings up not replying to her messages just say you finish work at X o'clock so after that time you don't engage in work related messages. I hope things work out but at the same time I'd be keeping my eye open for another job in case your employers don't take this seriously.

Tonnerre · 03/09/2019 11:29

I've had many texts since I got home, mostly outlining all the things I "need" to help with tomorrow. I've already done my share of all of the things on the list she sent, but she says I need to go through her half.

Your employers really need to look at instituting formal capability procedures if she is this dependent on others to carry out her normal duties after what sounds like at least two or three years there.

MrsA2015 · 03/09/2019 13:02

“I think you’ll find I’ve done my duties on the list, would you mind doing your bit as I’m swamped at the moment , I can’t help you “ Alternatively “grow up and do your own damn work”

melisma · 03/09/2019 14:11

Well done for standing your ground OP, and like PPs have said, screenshot and take copies of everything she sends you. Stay strong.

HappyGoLuckyLuLu · 03/09/2019 16:01

Keep those texts! This is all proof of her inappropriate expectations for what she thinks you need to do within the realm of your work relationship/partnership

mankyfourthtoe · 03/09/2019 16:02

How would you feel about temp logging it with bosses boss, and saying you're happy to wait short term until boss comes back but you wanted a record.

brownjumper · 03/09/2019 17:31

Have you actually replied to those texts saying you don't want to receive texts about work outside work? Your managers might ask you where you have asked her to stop texting you and you need to show them.

You should text her something along the lines of : I'm not at work now and am not discussing work in my personal time. If you have a problem doing your work then you need to discuss it with your manager at work. Please stop texting me out of work.

butterfly220 · 03/09/2019 18:45

That temp manager was someone else today, I think we're going to just keep getting different people until they find a more permanent stand in.

I've come home absolutely fuming because just as I was leaving I happened to notice she has TAKEN some of my work and is using it as her own. Actually taken it. I hadn't realised it was missing until I saw it. Normally she either demands I help her, or tries to get me to do it for her, or she photocopies what I've done. The photocopying was the previous most irritating thing, but at least it was absolutely obvious it was a photocopy and I had the original so she could only claim ownership so far. Actually TAKING things away is a whole new low. I'm going to have it out with her tomorrow. I'm so, so angry about it. This is something I've worked on for hours and hours. I just cannot imagine how she has just taken that, it must have been in retaliation yesterday when I said I wouldn't help her. I don't know how she thinks I wouldn't notice?? Unless she's going to try and claim it's hers and deny it, or she's doing it for a reaction. I'm taking it right back tomorrow. I would have just taken it today but I just was so shocked and I really want to confront her about it now and see what on earth she could possibly say about it. If I just take it she might pretend it never happened. There's absolutely no way it could have been a mistake. She must have been through my things to even find it. I knew she wanted to photocopy it so I had it very hidden. Just cannot believe it! A whole new level!

OP posts:
CuriousMama · 03/09/2019 18:47

Bloody hell that's disgraceful Shock
How on earth did she think she'd get away with it?

Motherinlawsdung · 03/09/2019 18:56

Make sure you have kept drafts of that work and ensure you can show the document history in Word or whatever it is you use. She will try to say she wrote it.

IamHyouweegobshite · 03/09/2019 18:59

That's terrible. Is there a way that you can put in small font a header or footer, with a reference or something. Showing that it had to be by you? Which then when sending out in final you could delete?

butterfly220 · 03/09/2019 19:02

Sorry I was so incensed about that that I didn't even say the actual important news which is that I'm meeting someone on Thursday afternoon to talk about the situation!

I already can foresee what's going to happen tomorrow. She's either going to:

A) deny everything and claim it's hers ( I can prove otherwise)

B) claim it was a mistake (impossible, as she would have to actually root through all of my stuff to find it and she's STUCK IT ON HER WALL (EVERY PAGE!) so it's hardly like she doesn't know she's got it! (I wouldn't have noticed yet if it was hidden away somewhere but it's ON THE WALL! She clearly WANTS me to see it)

C) Cry and then go to great lengths to turn this around so she is the one deserving of sympathy in this situation.

I'm literally shaking with anger.

OP posts:
Drum2018 · 03/09/2019 19:03

Do you do the work on your computer and then print it off? If this is the case then surely that proves that she is taking work to pawn off as her own. Don't let this go. Regardless of who is standing in as manager tomorrow you need to report her. As soon as you go in tomorrow challenge her on how your work ended up on her desk. She's a Fucking bitch - no more being nice to her!

Soconfusedandlost · 03/09/2019 19:05

Alternatively use this instance as the firing point. Report to a manager, even temporary, they have to note it. Report to HR.

I'm sorry to say that you could even use it to make a scene so that she is clear of very loud boundaries being put in place. I had an ex-colleague who would read me her work so that I could "help" her. It became me dictating her work while doing mine as she talked incessantly about her boyfriend or her mother or her phone or something. I had enough one day and everytime she started nattering, I got really crabby and said loudly comments like "if your hands typed as quick as your mouth went, you'd have finished next week's work as well" or "you've had more emotions by breakfast than I've had in 5 years". She bitched about me behind my back for about a week and then refused to work with me anymore as I "wasn't taking her feelings into consideration"

Fuckface7 · 03/09/2019 19:05

Wow, her sense of entitlement is incredible. Do you have evidence the work is yours and not hers? Will it be easy to get it back off her? Sounds like you need your own safe to store stuff or at least a lockable box/folder, bonkers as that may seem Sad She seems incredibly devious. There must surely be someone you can talk to about this, even if your usual manager is not present? I'm fuming on your behalf. Well done for not caving in Wine

Isaididont · 03/09/2019 19:06

This situation is just awful. I’m so glad you’re meeting someone on Thursday to talk about this. She sounds absolutely toxic.

Fuckface7 · 03/09/2019 19:07

Cross posted - sorry! Glad you're meeting someone about this. Fucking hell, she's unhinged!

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