To let you know that panic buying starts next week.

[GladAllOver]

The government is starting an advertising campaign next week telling us all to "Get Ready!".

What else can it mean?

By the way, it's costing £100m.

I am friends with a local farmer. He is already struggling to get his food off the farm as he is currently at a 50% down in farm hands. He asked for help on Facebook and other places and got nothing. And this is before Brexit.

Yes I’m stock piling. No I don’t care wether you think it’s stupid. If I need it wonderful I have it. If I don’t need it wonderful I can still eat it. There is no downside to this.

Personally I think it is going to be a huge mess. I am also worried about my B12 shots I get every other month. Without that I can walk.

There was another thread on here that quoted someone saying ‘ if the shops run out I will just buy food online ‘ with that kind of brains I can see this whole Brexit shit show going so well.

There was another thread on here that quoted someone saying ‘ if the shops run out I will just buy food online ‘ with that kind of brains I can see this whole Brexit shit show going so well.

We've also had:
...will just pop over to France and buy some
...will just go a restaurant

Wasn't there some DUP shite that said you could just pop to the chippy. What a dick response!

I've got some extra in. I hate shopping for food at the best of times m

Pop over to France 😂😂😂

I work for Tesco and we have just emptied our warehouse for the Xmas food deliveries to start . I'm not joking when I say the space is massive and it will soon be full . I don't think people need to panic buy too much .

amp.businessinsider.com/no-deal-brexit-not-enough-warehouses-to-stockpile-goods-for-halloween-no-deal-2019-4

Those ridiculing the idea of stockpiling are very naive IMO and don't appreciate how supply chains work. (Or how little this government gives a shit about us.) Perhaps they think the food appears on supermarket shelves by magic?

If you want to take the risk of being short of food, fine, that's your look out. But don't ridicule those who are. Humble pie ain't going to feed your family.

Stockpiling is a physical insurance policy against a scenario that's not certain but very possible.

Please can I ask, do those who think stockpiling is a bad idea not have insurance policies? Do you not insure your home against possible disasters that are much less likely than food shortages after Brexit? What's the difference?

That's the thing, @Bedsheets4knickers , the only people panicking are the people who haven't thought about it until now.
And I'm not sure that you quite get how JIT deliveries work when Christmas stuff is so bulky and fresh fruit and veg doesn't sit in a warehouse for months.

twofingerstoEverything
People who think this thread is hilarious/scaremongeriing might like to read this British Medical Journal extract

Just to point out the footnote at the bottom of the BMJ article;

"Competing interests...MM receives funding for research and advice from the European Commission, is past president of the European Public Health Association, is a founder of NHS Against Brexit (a civil society organisation which campaigns to remain in the EU) and is research director of the European Observatory on Health Systems and Policies, in which the European Commission is a member."
"MR is president of the UK Faculty of Public Health. DS is a recipient of a European Research Council award.TH is a Jean Monnet professor, formerly partially funded by the EU"^

"founder of NHS Against Brexit (a civil society organisation which campaigns to remain in the EU" - i.e. an anti-Brexit campaign group.

Some of the facts in the article are backed up with links to newspaper reports in The Guardian and elsewhere, and some of the facts are out of date, e.g. they are quoting a possible 80% reduction in freight trade through Dover (with links to a newspaper report from Jan 2019) - this has already been revised to a 'possible' 40-60% reduction in freight trade (which is speculation itself of course).

Bedsheets4knickers
I work for Tesco and we have just emptied our warehouse for the Xmas food deliveries to start . I'm not joking when I say the space is massive and it will soon be full . I don't think people need to panic buy too much

I don't believe its a good idea to panic buy atall.

I also don't believe that there will be good supply throughout the Brexit process. I have copied the results of a quick search, to show the stockpiling and issues being faced by the supply chain.

Tescos are just doing what they normally do at this time, what suppliers are having to do, and I cant get my hands on the figures right now, is vastly increase their warehouse capacity,but this is only for goods that can be stored. The fresh stuff we all need will be impacted on day 1. Fruit and veg from eu comes across our borders daily through the night. If they can't do the quick turnaround required it will be fruitless coming

Ah, here it is

There have been several dummy runs at this, so supply chains have some experience at least in managing, but there is only so much storage, and that doesn't account for the fresh stuff

Even if Parliament acts to stop No Deal next week, the OP may be correct.

So interesting to look at peoples ideas of what they need for a worst case scenario. At this time of year, I cook for winter anyway so I have two chest freezers full of already cooked food. Fruit is coming in and being stewed down and frozen, veggies the same. I have food also very much enjoying life should I need it, water for a month, wood for winter and enough diesel to power our generator for four months.

There are lots of drugs which we have to import from the EU, some of which cannot be stockpiled (such as insulin)

Chief Executive Diabetes UK - 19 AUG 2019;

"I attended a meeting earlier this month with those within DHSC and NHS England with prime responsibility for ‘no deal’ Brexit continuation of supply of medicines and were assured about general preparedness for the possibility of a no deal, including, of course, continuation of supply of insulin."

"What are the insulin companies doing?"

"Novo Nordisk and Sanofi, two of the three main manufacturers of insulin, have said they will have at least 16 weeks of stocks in the UK so they will have time to resolve any problems that could occur at the border.They are also working on alternative routes into the country– either by ferry or in the air. Lilly have told us they have similar plans."

"We have recently written again to the three main insulin manufacturers–Lilly, Novo Nordisk and Sanofi–to ensure their contingencies are still in place.We can confirm now that these safeguards are still in place, and the manufacturers have gone beyond the recommendations made by the Government."

blogs.diabetes.org.uk/?p=11050

It’s astounding. People are STILL assuming No Deal will allow us ‘special arrangements’. Other countries have NO obligation or need to allow us ‘special arrangements ‘ on something ‘we’ (we=51% of people, some of whom are now dead, who voted Leave) did.

We’re an Island. We’re propped up by cheap foreign labour which will (and already has) be hit massively.

Did Leavers REALLY not anticipate the consequences when they voted? Apparently believing the press seems to be the basis of many peoples’ Vote and politics.

I’m on several medications for my heart. They’re issued monthly. I cannot stockpile them.

GladAllOver

Interesting to read the comments. My OP about the campaign was that the Get Ready slogan seems almost designed to start panic buying.”

Of course it is. Last quarter’s retail figures were grim. They need to boost them for next quarter.
Stocking up now is entirely sensible. Anyone commenting that it will cause shortages clearly has no understanding of the UK’s just in time supply system. Anything bought today will be replenished in most cases by tomorrow. It will have the opposite effect and mean there is less pressure on the supply system when the inevitable shortages occur.

bunny Mini deals and arrangements have already been made. It is beyond ridiculous that by now you do not not know this.

Aviation is fine
Ports are prepared, extra ports including in three different countries have been actioned
Flights have been arranged for fresh medicine

There are likely to be delays, as hauliers get used to their new paperwork and the extra time it will take to adjust, but that IS IT! The first thing the government did three years ago is secure the medicines!

So please stop this scaremongering. You are doing nothing to help yourself or others.

No, OP, absolutely not. Your campaign was to let everyone know the panic is happening now.

Its an entirely irresponsible way to post, and a good job pp have more sense than to react, but no doubt your emotive headline will be scaring some lurking.

You cannot let people know that anyone is going to start panicking. Its rot.

If you really think your post was about the banner being designed to then be responsible and change the thread title.

It sounds like many haven't been panic buying at all and making sensible stock-piling provisions.

Although i think its laughable for those saying they have all their winter fuel in and two chest feeezers stacked full in some self-satisfied way that this is what everyone should do when pp on this thread have made it clear this isn't possible for them, financially or logistically.

Those who have already stocked for winter /brexit, what about those who can't?

...and, vital medicines?

Price rises?

Many don't have the control you have, are you helping them any. I don't think the 'I'm alright Jack' type posts really offer anything.

Some of the facts in the article are backed up with links to newspaper reports in The Guardian and elsewhere, and some of the facts are out of date, e.g. they are quoting a possible 80% reduction in freight trade through Dover (with links to a newspaper report from Jan 2019) - this has already been revised to a 'possible' 40-60% reduction in freight trade (which is speculation itself of course).

The situation is changing all of the time, so of course figures are being revised as new infrastructure is completed and new plans emerge. They are not 'speculation.' They are the results of logistics experts modelling various scenarios - what if X, Y or Z happens. For example, what happens if there is No Deal and all trucks (the vehicles themselves, the drivers, the loads and the manifests) have to be checked at the border and each check takes 5 minutes? Answer - queues would be X km long and freight capacity reduced by Y%. What if the checks take 15 minutes, 30 minutes and so on?

An 80% reduction in freight traffic was the figure that both the road and rail hauliers and HMRC came up with. Two organisations that are experts in this both arrived at roughly the same result. It would mean that only one truck in five would get through each day. The figure has now been revised to between a 40% and 60% reduction, so about half of the stuff that the UK imports each day via Dover won't get through. The figure is largely immaterial - anything over a 20% reduction will have a catastrophic effect somewhere. As I've written before, if food is prioritised then there is less space for medicines and no space at all for components, ingredients and raw materials. If medicines are prioritised, the space for food is reduced and there is still little capacity left for components etc.

@Blazingatrail - where’s the evidence the ports are ready? The government has already messed up by signing a contract with a ferry company with no ferries. It’s not going to help that 1 November is a bank holiday in France and no lorries are allowed on the motorways that day.

I suppose the question should be that if Brexit/No-Deal is a good idea, then we wouldn't need to spend £6 billion preparing for it would we?
I'm sure that if in 2016 these preparations were known and bJ/gove has said so, the result would have been v different.

Quiet astounding that at a time when we have so many demands on public services, playgrounds closing, women's refuges being shut, a failing social care system, 100k vacancies in the NHS, the priority is to spend 6 billion on no-deal preparations.

This money could be so much better spent, i can only assume that anyone supporting this is either wealthy or lacks the ability to think for themselves.

My own opinion is that all of this showboating about no-deal is just posturing by Johnson and that we - and Parliament - are being groomed to accept a 'less bad' (than no deal) Brexit, ie. all the posturing about the worst case scenario is setting us up to accept something bad, but not that bad.

Every single statement released by the government lately reads like double-speak and I find myself reading between the lines and looking for what they're deliberately not saying.

I noticed yesterday that Johnson was starting to lay the groundwork for blaming Remainers when it all goes tits up, that it's the Remainers who are causing the EU to hold back from giving us a good deal

Mini deals and arrangements have already been made. It is beyond ridiculous that by now you do not not know this.

This is a repeat of Iain Duncan Smith's 'mis-information.' Mini deals and arrangements have not been made - at least not by the UK government. The EU can see the problems looming and has said that it will continue to allow UK trucks and drivers into the EU on a temporary basis. The alternative was that 100,000 truckers would be forced to apply for just 4,000 EU permits - a situation that would cripple the haulage industry and the UK exporters.

But this temporary permission can be unilaterally ended - for example if a certain PM decided to withhold payments already agreed.

Ports are prepared, extra ports including in three different countries have been actioned

Port capacity is only one part of the problem. As Grayling discovered, there are no ships. A 50% reduction in capacity across the Dover-France crossing means over 4,000 trucks a day would be looking for alternative routes. An average RoRo ferry carries fewer than 100 trucks at a time so someone will have to find sufficient ships and crews for an additional 40 crossings a day, and ports like Immingham and Harwich would need to quadruple their handling capabilities. By 1st November.

There are likely to be delays, as hauliers get used to their new paperwork and the extra time it will take to adjust, but that IS IT!

Many hauliers will have gone bust, their lorries and drivers stuck in long queues and their loads uninsurable, long before they get used to the new paperwork.