Self ID women being asked to volunteer in Devon Rape Crisis Centre *Triggering - rape*

[Theendofmyrope]

AIBU to think this is just fucking insane? Is this how it is going to be from now on? As the parent of a rape victim I feel beyond angry. Is no place safe for women now?

Enhancing the support for TW/FIW doesn’t take away the support or women’s only space that this charity offer.

It does if I phone them and hear a male voice. That destroys the support for me, obliterates it, is actually worse than no support at all.

instead go spend years establishing your own charity for your own kind, fuck your mental health and trauma during that process as long as you stay away from us normal people

You took what I said about TW needing specialist services that really understand e.g. the interaction between gender dysphoria and post-rape trauma in a way that a female-run service cannot, and my point that running a distinct service means having agency about how that service operates, and you twisted it. Again.

You also ignored where I said upthread that TW should be able to call the service as a transitional measure whilst they set their own up.

You are not debating in good faith. Your agenda is now very clearly that of an MRA who seeks to destroy the female-only provisions that women built, in my mother's case literally built as she refurbished a house that became battered women's shelter. For you, trans is nothing other than a battering ram to destroy women's work. Build your own support and stop leeching off and destroying women's services.

You also ignored where I said upthread that TW should be able to call the service as a transitional measure whilst they set their own up.

In fairness, that was on a different thread about this matter. The rest of what I said about you being a destructive MRA still stands.

Provisions can be made to support others without it negatively impacting on female service users.

Why do you feel it has to be an “either or”, an “us and them” in this instance? I do understand the sentiment in other situations but this is not the place for this type of argument, providing support to TW/FIW who have experienced sexual assault/rape does not impact on the support that ANY other service user receives - Male or female.

PinkyU

It is us or them BECAUSE IT IS A WOMEN FOCUSED SERVICE

ALL men are them in this scenario.

But you are just refusing to acknowledge the many points that have been been made about this will impact on female service users.

Did you used to post with a user name Ratpoly or something along those lines??

BD67th not all of my posts are directed toward you, my apologies if I’ve not made myself clear at times.

What’s an FIW?
I’m getting : formerly incarcerated woman, friendship in witchcraft, friends of international women?

Female identifying woman maybe?

ie a woman who thinks she is a woman.

It is a service that is expanding its provision to include men (as it already has done) and TW/FIW, without it detracting from the support of its female service users. It is not a service exclusively for women.

I’ve tried to address as many points as I’ve felt able to, and the fact remains the same, that this is an additional provision to support more victims/survivors of sexual assault/rape, it’s not in place of. Many people seem to be ignoring that point that I’ve made several times.

I don’t think female victims/survivors of sexual assault/rape should have to interact with any volunteer or employee that they don’t feel safe with.

I think the centre should be supported and applauded for their balanced view of inclusive and representative support whilst ensuring women’s only spaces and support.

Sorry, and no, I’ve never posted under a different name. I don’t break any rules and am comfortable owning and defending my stance on gender issues.

FIW = my lazy attempt at an acronym for female identifying woman, not an acknowledged acronym- I just made it up, cause I got lazy.

I think the centre should be supported and applauded for their balanced view of inclusive and representative support whilst ensuring women’s only spaces and support

FFS
How is it women only when they are actively seeking men?
You really are a bit of a cheer leader for all this nonsense arent you Pinky.
By all means provide support for TW and men.....but well away from spaces for women and girls. It is so fucking tiring seeing the continued erosion of these rights so the 'inclusive' box can be ticked. These services are already under a financial kosh without having to extend it to men who think they are women. These were founded by women for women. Why is it ALWAYS women who lose out?

What the fuck is a 'female identifying woman'? Do you mean a woman?

Oh I was joking when I said it must be "female identifying woman".

Jesus wept.

Lemon, gloating and being wildly insensitive is exactly what you were being

You cannot possibly understand me.

You do not experience life as a battered woman.

Shit! Well that’s embarrassing

That’s what I get for being lazy.

I’ve tried to address as many points as I’ve felt able to, and the fact remains the same, that this is an additional provision to support more victims/survivors of sexual assault/rape, it’s not in place of. Many people seem to be ignoring that point that I’ve made several times.

No they're not, they just don't see how it is relevant to supporting women. Having provision for TW support is great. But what people want to know and what doesn't seem to have been clarified anywhere is whether they will use TW to support women accessing their services. It's a very simple question that could easily be clarified but so far hasn't been. Why do you think that is?

If the center in question was seeking transwomen volunteers because they were extending their services to also provide for transwomen, they could have said so. But they didn't.
Nowhere do they say they will provide services for transwomen. Only women and a limited age range of men. So the logical conclusion is they are being inclusive to keep their funding and will accept transwomen volunteers to help women.
And let's be clear: being a transwomen does not mean any physical changes at all. Or having gender dysphoria

Lemon, gloating and being wildly insensitive is exactly what you were being

You cannot possibly understand me.

You do not experience life as a battered woman.

I understand that you are going through a really shit time just now, however it's unfair to lash out at me, I wasn't gloating nor was I insensitive at all.

I spent time in refuges twice, I experienced over a decade of being in an abusive relationship. I understand what it takes to get out of such a relationship and I admire you for doing so. It really isn't easy, especially in the early days. You're aiming your anger at the wrong person here though.

Transplants are plants
Transactions are actions
Transparent is a parent
Transports are ports

I don't know about sexual assault, but when it comes to rape even trans women /trans men would have been attacked by a male. Why would they be any more likely than anyone else to want to talk to/get advice from/be comforted by a bloke?

And why transwomen and not trans men? I mean if they're going with the inclusion soup and all..

Fucking mental gymnastics.

Ah, got deleted. It seems women can’t be pissed off. Smile and nod, smile and nod.

I don't know about sexual assault, but when it comes to rape even trans women /trans men would have been attacked by a male. Why would they be any more likely than anyone else to want to talk to/get advice from/be comforted by a bloke?

I agree with you on the rape side of things, but what about transphobic attacks like in the infamous Chrissy Lee Polis case? Young girls can be evil as we also saw in the Mariam Moustafa murder.

You are pretending I'm lashing out, reporting my posts and making me out to be the bad person

We can all see which side mumsnet mods are on, and it's not women's.