Self ID women being asked to volunteer in Devon Rape Crisis Centre *Triggering - rape*

[Theendofmyrope]

AIBU to think this is just fucking insane? Is this how it is going to be from now on? As the parent of a rape victim I feel beyond angry. Is no place safe for women now?

Lemon's funny.
No money for trans women - is that a joke?

I take faith in the Pink News comments when they’re allowed because more than 90% of the time they reflect the same options as here

The world has gone mad.

I cannot find a shelter (US) that didn't have xy people as residents or volunteers.

I'm having to camp.

I was told by rape crisis helpline that I needed to practice mindfulness and grounding to cope with being in enclosed spaces with people who I'd as trans and have penises.

It's really not fair.

Hopefully Devon Rape Crisis Centre will clarify why they are recruiting self-identified women.

Stone wall, as you well know, wouldn't fund it.

A rape victim is a rape victim, they all need help and support and I think it's pretty disgusting that anyone thinks it's ok to send away a victim when they are seeking support for what has happened to them because you don't feel they have campaigned enough.

I still don’t understand how a rape crisis centre or counselling service approaches sorting out who counsels/speaks to/ supports which women? I totally get that TW who are survivors of sexual violence would want support, probably that of a TW counsellor. But without (what I would see as) very personal and intrusive questions, data sharing and then separation of TW from ‘other’ women, both staff and clients, how the heck do you do this?

Detroitinnineteensixtyeight I am really sorry for you.

I do think Stonewall could easily set up refuges especially for trans women.

I wonder why Stonewall have not chosen to spend their coffers on the people who need help?

DifficultPifcultLemonDifficult Cross posed with you. "Stone wall, as you well know, wouldn't fund it." Why? genuine question.

I would settle for half the shelters accepting only xx females. One one per state.

There is no provision at all within a 3 state radius for women who cannot cope with living with people who have male bodies.

Time “In a way if it was a really supportive male then it might help to get over the hurdle that it isn't all men that do these vile things but just a small minority”

Why should anyone “get over” that “hurdle”?

I think it's disgusting that women should have to camp, like Detroit, to escape their abuser, because they cannot find male free shelters.
Where's your concern for her?
And all the others.
Oh - and women didn't have a walk in the park setting up shelters either. Stonewall and all the others can cough up.

A rape victim is a rape victim, they all need help and support and I think it's pretty disgusting that anyone thinks it's ok to send away a victim when they are seeking support for what has happened to them because you don't feel they have campaigned enough.

A rape crisis service explicitly for women and girls is not an appropriate place for males.

Do you object to a rape crisis centre for women and girls “sending away” cis gendered male rape victims?

Detroit I’m so so horrified this is happening to you. I wish I could help.

If it’s simply a question of sending them to rape crisis centres because no specific centres are available for transpeople, then send them to the men’s.

So would you be happy for a transman to use the centres then? By the logic here, a transman is a woman.

Stonewall can fund it. They have ODDLES of money.

They do have oodles of money. The problem is that the oodles of money are earmarked for privileged, middle-class graduates to earn very generous salaries from lobbying, which they do aggressively and, ultimately, with little care for the actual people who they claim to advocate for (if they genuinely cared about trans acceptance, they would take much more care to deal with the balancing of rights issue). Large parts of the charitable sector are an industry, in which middle-class professionals reproduce their own power. I see nothing in what Stonewall does that is designed to make a tangible difference to - for example - trans people who need refuges.

This is unfortunately the new world and I have no idea why most people are accepting of it and politicians refuse to speak against it.

I don’t think most people are accepting of it. Many people don’t realise that this is happening stealthily.

And people are being sacked, sanctioned and threatened for speaking out, so speaking out is a risky act.

GC - agreed. But this is not women's problem to sort out.
Also - I think they don't want it because it interferes with the transwomen are women mantra.
Spelled oodles wrong too.

Lemon's funny.
No money for trans women - is that a joke?

Clearly you have absolutely no idea what You are talking about.

I live this every day. Have tried to get support for a loved one who has dealt with this, and been told no everywhere, I couldn't even get mental health help, either my loved one was too trans for support from some places or not trans enough for other support.

You can sit and paint transgender people as evil, horrible people wanting to steal services aimed at women, or you can look at the reality that we are all being fucked over and look at ways where women and transgender people could support each other and work against the ones who shout the loudest.

Having transgender volunteers at a centre who support transgender victims is great, there are many things about the agenda that are really not great, but this isn't one of them.

@GCAcademic
am basing my understanding on actual examples of women in refuges being sent away, onto the streets, because they would not share a twin room with a male person. It's happened. Those refuges did do that, and in at least one case, called the terrified woman they kicked out a bigot in the process.

Yes I have seen that story too, I Am not entirely sure we know the full details, but I also don’t think women in a refuge should be forced to share a room with a trans women unless they are Ok with this. But this does not mean that we can assume hat all trans women looking to access support/volunteer should barred from services when it often can be down appropriately.

Lemon. Abused women should be able to access male free spaces.
What do you have to say to Detroit?

I would be absolutely happy for a trans man to share a shelter with me. 100 percent.

No problem.

They are women

So would you be happy for a transman to use the centres then? By the logic here, a transman is a woman.

Personally, yes. A trans man is biologically female.

That is both logic and fact.

They do have oodles of money. The problem is that the oodles of money are earmarked for privileged, middle-class graduates to earn very generous salaries from lobbying, which they do aggressively and, ultimately, with little care for the actual people who they claim to advocate for (if they genuinely cared about trans acceptance, they would take much more care to deal with the balancing of rights issue). Large parts of the charitable sector are an industry, in which middle-class professionals reproduce their own power. I see nothing in what Stonewall does that is designed to make a tangible difference to - for example - trans people who need refuges.

100%

Detroitinnineteensixtyeight THANK GOD for some sense on this thread.