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To think that women can't have it all..........

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Anon230982 · 24/08/2019 15:04

Before I had my sons I was on a sound educational/career pathway. I wasn't conflicted, I had singular purpose and no responsibility for anything else other than myself. I went to University, got a good degree and started with a job in social care, working for vulnerable adults. I quickly gained a good reputation with my clients, built positive relationships with colleagues and planned to undertake further professional training to progress my career. Then, in 2014, when I was 32 I had my first son. Suddenly, I was given mundane jobs at work, the secondment I was on wasn't extended and I left to have Baby No.1. I took nine months off...…..and experienced the life-changing transition that is becoming a parent. I had a trauma birth, suffered from post-natal anxiety and depression, and eventually, with the help of family and friends, defeated it and got level again. Then back to work. Juggled a very demanding role with the added responsibilities of parenthood, and developed the role to a high standard. My workload was the same on part-time hours as it would have been on full-time hours. When a senior position came up I went for it. Only to be told that I hadn't got it, but I was "an expert in my field." The person who was employed often tapped me for advice. No support from senior colleagues. Left work again in winter 2018 to have Baby no.2. Was told, by an elderly friend of my late Gran's, that "women can't have it all." At the time, I thought she was just a product of her generation but I've had time to think and reflect. Nature is old-fashioned; women naturally prioritise their babies over pretty much everything else. It's (usually) the woman who is the primary care-giver in the first year, who sacrifices her thoughts and actions and identity to the continuous demands of nurturing a little person. Men make a massive transition into parenthood as well, don't get me wrong but now having gone through it twice, I do believe life changes more completely for the woman. Women are primed by nature to sacrifice their own personal self for this purpose; all modern opinions on gender equality are kicked to the kerb. My husband leaves for work in the morning neatly groomed, looking like a respectable adult. I spend my days crawling around on the floor, half naked, eating scraps of food. I can't finish a sentence, or take a crap in peace. He has board meetings and runs a Team. I can just about remember the words to "Twinkle Twinkle Little Star," he delivers speeches and writes binary code for operational management. I can't remember what it's like to hold a conversation with another adult that doesn't involve the words "poo on my hands/awake all night/teething). I can't finish a cuppa. I manage to get dinner done, and look after my sons in the day. And to me, that feels like a massive achievement. Everything else has had to slide. When I do return to work I won't be the same person. That's no choice - it's old-fashioned nature at it's best - it's what motherhood has done to me. My values have changed, as well as my priorities. I'm a mum first - and something else second but I'm not sure what.That's not to say I'm unhappy. I'm probably the happiest I've ever been despite passing my days feeling like an unpaid domestic servant. (And a naked one at that.) But sometimes that lady's words come back to me when I see my husband suited and booted, going to work in the morning and I wonder, was she also trying tell me not to put too much expectation on myself...…..being a mum is the hardest job going and perhaps...….just perhaps for a limited time only you forego your modern right to equality at work...…...you're out of the game for a long time, long enough for someone else to fill your space and for you to lose a lot of work-related skill. There's a significant loss of work-confidence mothers often experience after giving birth and being on maternity leave. Going back into a professional environment where people expect you to deliver and be dressed isn't easy. Perhaps you can't have it all. Or maybe you can't have it all and be happy. What do others think?

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herculepoirot2 · 24/08/2019 15:11

I spend my days crawling around on the floor, half naked, eating scraps of food.

😂

#Me too.

herculepoirot2 · 24/08/2019 15:12

But no, you don’t forgo your right to anything. You and your DH have chosen for you to be at home with your sons.

swingofthings · 24/08/2019 15:13

Many men will tell you that you are lucky as a women to have all that time with your babies thst means that you can bond to a level that fathers rarely get at that stage and that thry would much prefer giving their energy on his children than to a bunch of irrelevant people who he doesn't care much about.

8ts easy to assume the grass is always greener in the other one's boots.

womaninthedark · 24/08/2019 15:17

Dd has just gone back to work after seven years at home. All her experience (the work before childrearing and the work of childrearing) has given her an excellent perspective on and understanding of the work environment. You'll get there. Keep breathing, don't catch cold and order an occasional takeaway. Expectations of parents in the workplace have changed since that lady's day. It's not perfect but it's better than it was.

stayathomer · 24/08/2019 15:21

I remember a friend of mine (male) talking about how great his job was going until he had kids. They had twins and he said all he could think about was getting back home to them. He stopped asking for overtime and he thinks as a result of that he'll never get anywhere but he said he doesn't care , that his goal is to be home to play asap. I quit my job after no3 and have huge regrets but I think I would have been like him. I believe you can have it all, but I think you have to be 100% in work and 100% at home to do it, but then there'll be an overlap that is more than breaking point. Th e res a good scene in greys anatomy where Miranda Bailey talks about the one reason men and women will never be equal. Definitely go look it up!!

Drabarni · 24/08/2019 15:25

I think it depends on what you term as "it all".
If you mean a career, children and a successful relationship with a spouse, then this can be hard.
It's also hard for men to have these too as divorce levels are so high for men as well as women.

I have it all, but no career atm. If you are happy, content and where you want to be, you can't do much better or have much more.

SlightlyMisplacedSingleDad · 24/08/2019 15:25

Nobody - male or female - can 'have it all'. There is always a balance to be struck. In your case, you've chosen to compromise on your career to focus on parenting. And for your husband to compromise on parenting to continue progressing his career. You both gain, and you both lose - just in different ways.

Drabarni · 24/08/2019 15:27

SingleDad

Speak for yourself Grin some people have it all because they aren't greedy and satisfied with what they have, hence having it all.

YummyFoodie · 24/08/2019 15:28

They can have it all but not at the same time. So in essence, they can't. Men historically had it all because they were only responsible for earning money. Women who want to have it all end up sleep deprived miserable unfit and unhappy. Unless you're one of those mythical workaholics who thrive on 4h of sleep and /or can afford a full time nanny.

Banana770 · 24/08/2019 15:29

Hmm. I think you’re right, I don’t think anyone can ever have it all because the grass is always greener depending on what you’re doing. I think the best anyone can aim for is as much balance as they can.

ArkwrightsTill · 24/08/2019 15:29

Women can’t have it all but they are expected to do it all.

BogglesGoggles · 24/08/2019 15:32

This isn’t about you being a woman, it’s aboyt you being the main care giver. No one can have it all because no one can do it all. It’s simply not possible to juggle beings main carer for someone with complex needs (like a young child) and a career and do all that entails to a high standard as well as continue to look after themselves. Something has to give.

itsbetterthanabox · 24/08/2019 15:35

If you have a partner that wants to be an equal parent then no it's not like that.
It's a husband problem not a you being a woman problem.
Why don't men talk about 'having it all?'
Yes there's biological differences that mean you give birth and have maternity time off but after that it should be equal.
Why can't he go part time? Or take parental leave.
This is a choice not an inevitability.

itsbetterthanabox · 24/08/2019 15:35

If you have a partner that wants to be an equal parent then no it's not like that.
It's a husband problem not a you being a woman problem.
Why don't men talk about 'having it all?'
Yes there's biological differences that mean you give birth and have maternity time off but after that it should be equal.
Why can't he go part time? Or take parental leave.
This is a choice not an inevitability.

NeatFreakMama · 24/08/2019 15:38

It depends what you want put of life but broadly few people can 'have it all'. I have an exceptionally lucky time really where I have a son, husband and job where I'm very senior. However, I would have been much better off career wise if I'd not had children. I decided to go part-time and work from home, so that's my decision to be with my kids more and not be stressed commuting to London etc...so maybe it depends on how you define it. I suppose I have a lot but to think I'm unaffected in my career by having children is not true.

Ilikethisone · 24/08/2019 15:45

Depends on what you mean.

I have children, am a single parent with a career I enjoy and am progressing in. I also have a dp.

I feel I have it all. It's all I want.

I have to say that I always worked full time and even though exh was a cunt, he did his fair share of childcare. My career was no more impacted than his.

I still progressed my career, went to work groomed etc. Its awful that a company treated you so poorly.

I was lucky in the fact that my company at the time, didnt bat an eyelid to me being pregnant and I was even promoted whilst pregnant.

Having it all is subjective. Some days, I do wish I was at home more. But all together o am happy. Busy and sometimes I am knackered. But overall I am happy.

I think that is having it all.

Mumsie448 · 24/08/2019 15:47

Theoretically, you can be a parent and have a career, but someone else will have to care for the children, whether that is your spouse, day nursery, child minder, or nanny.
Even when the children start school you will need some wrap around care and holiday care.
Then, if you are a SAHP, even for a short while, the SAHP parent will lose out of career development (training courses, promotions, experience and even being seen and being known). And the longer the parent is a SAHP, the worse this loss is. That is inevitable. The shorter the time away, the less the loss will be.
The point here is that most mothers prefer to give the care themselves, and most (not all), will have several months off work, and often go back to work part-time. I think this is the biology. However, I have also heard a young father say he no longer wanted to go to the pub after work with his mates, because he could not wait until he got back to his new baby, and that he thought about his baby the whole time.
I think it is also hard for the working parent (usually the father), that the whole financial responsibility falls on them. They do not want to ‘put a foot wrong’, as the working parent can’t afford to jeopardise the job that both parents depend on.
I personally think in an ideal world both parents will work shorter hours, some at home, and will be able to provide both the care and the income between them. I expect there will be some, but few of them.

Skittlenommer · 24/08/2019 15:49

We probably can have it all but it’ll be at our expense! I’m skipping the children altogether! It’s the part I think I’d like the least. Rather concentrate on my marriage, career and travelling!

Stompythedinosaur · 24/08/2019 15:53

Women can't have it all because we live in an unfair society.

If it was the norm for father's to do 50% of the housework and childcare, for jobs to be flexible and for childcare to be high quality and easily available I suspect we could get much closer to having it all.

Chivers53 · 24/08/2019 15:56

I agree, my DHs job involves being away a lot, and although he loves our DS dearly, he doesn't have the guilt I have for being away from him, even just for a work day.

Helpmeltb · 24/08/2019 16:02

Depends what "having it all" means to you.

I reckon I get pretty close. Have the kids 4 days/nights a week (ex husband has them 3). Have a career where I'm well respected/valued but not so senior that it takes over my life. I have hobbies and friends that fill my evenings and weekends.

Do I have a massive house and fancy car? No, but I don't want or need that. I'd rather enjoy the extra disposable income on experiences.

I think I've realised I don't want to "have it all", I want to "make the most of life" Smile

youcouldbeGLAAD · 24/08/2019 16:09

I'm full time and excelling in my career. My husband is part time and his is stalling in comparison. Noone can have it all, but women aren't obliged by nature to be the ones to sacrifice their career - that's a choice for each woman and family to make.

Beautiful3 · 24/08/2019 16:12

Agree!

RedPanda2 · 24/08/2019 16:12

Agree with PPs that say 'having it all' is relative..i don't want children, i have a career I love and a great home and partner. I feel like I have it all, but clearly my priorities and yours are different

31RueCambon75001 · 24/08/2019 16:20

I know two women who ''have it all'' and their husbands were both house husbands when their DC were young. One, her husband became a maths teacher and his job now still fits around their teens, but the other has struggled to find secure work and I know that's not perfect.

I read ''lean in'' funnily enough, years ago. It made me so cross. I preferred Cheryl Sandberg's book that she wrote after her husband died. I can't remember what it was called now but I think she realised that there were issues she didn't GET when she wrote the book.

Still, not everybody wants to lean in.