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For revoking an open invitation to stay?

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WishingILivedOnAnIsland · 23/08/2019 12:47

I write half hoping to cop a bashing so I am more motivated to do the right thing.

A dear and wonderful friend moved to another town for a work opportunity about 2 years ago. When she moved I gave her a key and told her she was welcome to use our spare bedroom whenever she wanted to come back.

Since then she’s been staying for 1-3 nights at a time about once a month. She’ll usually be back for one specific thing like a medical appointment or an engagement party but have no other plans. She keeps personal belongings in the spare room and stores larger items in our shed so our place serves as her hometown base.

She’s not loud or messy or ungrateful. But- she is underfoot. She is a homebody and mostly stays in, pottering about our living room/kitchen with cups of tea. She tends to come along if we go for brunch, to the park, walking with the children etc. Which is lovely but it eats into family time.

There is all the usual houseguest stuff- more laundry, more pressure to tidy up, an extra clean of the bathroom, the need to make polite chit chat first thing in the morning when I just want to stagger wordlessly towards the kettle. But for a few nights it’s no big problem.

She’s just texted to check that she can stay for 16-20 days straight while she does a professional course next week.

And I reeeeally don’t want to host her for that long.

My reasons (mostly selfish):

  • she’s recently stopped taking anxiety medication and the last time she stayed she spent each evening talking repetitively at length about very small problems that were obviously swirling around in her head. I spent a lot of time listening and being reassuring and supportive. But it was draining. It also took a lot of time away from the other things I normally get done in the evenings (life admin, laundry, catching up on work emails etc). I also find that stress in other people rubs off on me and I felt stressed for days after she left.
  • I’m 8 months pregnant and I. Am. Tired. I am sore. I don’t want more housework, more emotional labour, one more person to think about. When the children are asleep I want to plough through my To-Do list if I have any energy or switch off completely if I don’t.
  • We have easily excited toddlers and having an extra person in the house makes it that much harder to get them to focus and eat dinner, go to bed, stay in bed, all the usual toddler wrangling challenges.
  • DH and I are currently in marriage counselling and so valuing our privacy more than usual. Being alone once the children go to sleep gives us space to talk things through if we need to, but otherwise enjoy some downtime together. The next few weeks feel really important for this given we’re about to be back on the newborn/sleep deprivation train soon.
  • Our house has just the one living space which is open plan with the kitchen. A toddler sleeps in our bedroom. There’s nowhere to escape to.

My friend is a lovely kind person who would be there for me if I ever needed her. She hasn’t done anything wrong. When she moved I told her she would be welcome so suddenly saying no feels unfair. She knows we have the empty bedroom, so there’s no reason not to have her apart from simply not wanting to.

But I am running on empty and it feels (irrationally) like this one quiet houseguest will break me.

AIBU to say no this time? If not, how can I do it in a way that doesn’t hurt her feelings?

If I am BU, then please give me tips on managing houseguests with minimal effort. Sad

OP posts:
grumiosmum · 23/08/2019 13:40

You are 8 months pregnant. That's a good enough reason to politely let her know she can't stay.

MolyHolyGuacamole · 23/08/2019 13:42

You don't have to go into any personal detail about the counselling, it's not her (or anyone else's) business

WinterHare · 23/08/2019 13:43

YANBU at all and you sound just lovely. So does your friend who will understand if she's a genuine friend. Anxiety can make us selfish & self-absorbed tho!

Agree with @Rachelover40 that what @kitk said at the very start is perfect.

Good luck BrewThanks

tava63 · 23/08/2019 13:46

OP you've written that your friend is lovely and kind, you've also written that she has shared with you lots of her problems. If she really is a good friend she will definitely understand. You have a lot on your plate so need to put in ways to take care of yourself.

However you may have for whatever reason been dishonest with her and given her the impression that you are some sort of Superwoman (you probably are but no one is a mythical superhero!). Have you taken on the role of a 'carer' of your friend? The reason I suggest this is that I am finding it difficult to get in the mindset of someone that would ask to stay with someone who has toddlers and is also 8 months pregnant. Do you give too much of yourself to others (beyond your dependent dc) in your life and this causes you to become run down?

walkintheparc · 23/08/2019 13:48

The reasons you've put in your post are extremely reasonable. You should close, and like true friends, so I would just be completely honest with her and tell her those things and state it's a bit too long and just not the right time. She will understand if she is a good friend - if not, then no love lost.

Next time she comes (when you are ready) ask if she can leave key as X person needs it for (made up story). Then it's a bit easier for you moving forwards. Good luck with baby - hopefully she wont be annoying about staying when she/he is born!

WhatchaMaCalllit · 23/08/2019 13:48

I wouldn't tell her about marriage counseling as that isn't relevant, to her at least. What is relevant is her being an emotional drain on you, in the past and now even more so when you are 8 months pregnant.

I would, politely let her know that no, it's not a good time for her to visit and you aren't able to put her up for one night let alone 16-20 days straight. You are sorry that if this change in situation inconveniences her and her planned training but if the training is a work thing, the employer should be able to sort out some local accommodation for her so that she is still able to attend.
Also, you are now moving on with things and nesting and you would really appreciate it if she could begin (after the training is complete) to clear out her belongings out of your spare room (as you are thinking of doing it up/renting it out/changing it to an office space/whatever) and also from your shed.

@kitk also has a nice way to phrase things in the very first response to your OP.

Drum2018 · 23/08/2019 13:49

Just tell her that given you are nearly due your baby it won't suit and that going forward it would be best for her to find alternative accommodation as you will be super busy with the kids and not able to host her. Then just change the lock.

LochJessMonster · 23/08/2019 13:51

When people say 'you can stay anytime you like', surely everyone knows that that means occasionally, not 1-3 days every month!
That's taking the piss tbh

And then going from that to 16-20 days straight?? Shes having a laugh and saving a hell of a lot of money on hotels, at your expense.

EssentialHummus · 23/08/2019 13:51

Thank her for her consideration and explain that given your late stage of pregnancy it would not work for you and in fact she should work on the assumption you won’t want her to stay while you have a newborn either. Tell her you will let her know when you feel up to it, perhaps when the baby is six months old. And thank her again.

This. You're very pregnant. You don't need any more of a reason than that. And where she stays during the course is not your problem. Don't make it your problem.

StripeySocks29 · 23/08/2019 13:53

I feel like most normal people, if a friend said you can stay any time you like, would not take that to mean once a month for several days but more like once a year or once every six months and wouldn’t get in the way while they were staying.

Is she generally not good at normal social conventions?

greenwaterbottle · 23/08/2019 13:55

I'd tell her you're in the middle of rejigging all your bedroom so they work for your bigger family. And it's good that you messaged as you were composing a message to her that her stopping every now and then worked work either. I actually do need another key for the workman so if you could drop that through the letter box when you're passing that'd be great. Hope you've enjoyed the bed up TIL now and sorry you'll have to make other arrangements.

MzHz · 23/08/2019 13:56

Love, send hops message.

What’s the worst that could happen? She takes umbrage and never stays again?

Result

Has it occurred to you that part of the reason why you and h are struggling is because of this open door policy?

Save yourself, save your marriage, save your family.

She’s a big girl, she’ll have to cope, and she will, absolutely fine.

MzHz · 23/08/2019 13:57

Be honest, communicate and express what you can and can’t do

You were over generous and she’s taken things too far.

BrendasUmbrella · 23/08/2019 14:01

Why did you tell her she can stay whenever she likes then get pissed off when she takes you up on it?

Most people would not take the piss though. Everyone needs family time and private time. Staying one weekend a month is taking the piss already. That's about as often as some non resident parents see their dc's. Texting almost last minute to ask if she can stay for 2-3 weeks is proper cheeky fucker territory.

Toneitdown · 23/08/2019 14:01

Yanbu to say no. Also, judging from what you've said about your friend I don't think she'd take offence to you saying no. She doesn't sound like a CF to me. She's asked your permission first so she's expecting that it may not be ok. I'm sure if you explain everything that you have going on at the moment and are polite about it then it will be fine.

Also this is a good opportunity to set a new precedent where it isn't always ok for her to stay - this will come in handy once the baby arrives.

If she's a worthwhile friend she won't mind and will respect your decision.

clucky3 · 23/08/2019 14:02

Just say no, you have a number of really good reasons there. A friend will understand if she is actually that, and not just using you.

BrendasUmbrella · 23/08/2019 14:02

Tell her the pregnancy is exhausting you and you're not up to visitors at the moment.

Why on earth did she move away just to keep coming back?!

Derbee · 23/08/2019 14:04

YANBU. But I think your friend is getting an unfair response. You’ve made a generous offer, she’s taken you up on it. As far as she can see, it’s been working for you both.

She didn’t just assume she could stay, she has asked you if she can stay for 16-20 days. Therefore she clearly realises that it is not just a normal part of the agreement.

You are well within your rights to say no, for whatever reasons you want (or not give a reason if you don’t want to!) but I don’t think you should necessarily run with the “she’s a CF and you must demand your key back/change the locks” brigade. You don’t need to fall out, and you don’t need to let her stay.

I personally wouldn’t mention counselling. I also wouldn’t feel comfortable not giving an excuse, and I would say that with the baby so imminent, I don’t think it’s a good idea. Her work will pay for accommodation, or she can sort herself out. It’s not your responsibility. Your responsibility is your health, your children, and your marriage.

GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 23/08/2019 14:04

Use this as an opportunity to say, "Actually I've been meaning to have a chat with you about this. As you know I'm due to give birth in a month, and after that I'm sorry but it's just not going to be possible to have you staying with us. Any chance you could arrange to collect your bits and bobs and give us the key back? Sorry, but am sure you understand."

SavingSpaces2019 · 23/08/2019 14:05

Your mistake was giving an open invitation AND not setting boundaries.
She doesn't officially live there, pay the bills or do her share of the housework......so why give her a key and carte blanch to come and go as she pleases, use it like her own home including storing her belongings there....you gave her 'rights' to YOUR home without any expectation of responsibilities.

She has deliberately chosen to take the piss out of your stupidity generosity.
Do you think she would extend the same 'generosity' to you?
Like hell she would - she doesn't even entertain the thought of treating you, your home and your relationship with the courtesy and respect it deserves.

Just tell her that the arrangement doesn't work for you anymore and put an end to it.
You'll soon see her true colours.
It's about time you put yours and your dh's needs/wants and feelings first instead of hers.

ReTooth · 23/08/2019 14:07

You are massively overthinking this OP. The fact you’ve bothered to analyse why you are uncomfortable with it is sweet but completely unnecessary. She has asked if she could stay and you can decline. It really is that simple. You describe you friend as a lovely kind friend so don’t do her this disservice of not being honest with her. I suspect she would feel awful if she knew how much you are agonising over this.
She can find a room through Air B&B or SpareRoom.

In future you need to give more thought to making ‘empty’ offers. Have a think about why you made the offer. Was it because you thought she wouldn’t take you up on it or was it because you wanted to look generous.

paddlingwhenIshouldbeworking · 23/08/2019 14:08

Wow, who on earth asks to stay with someone for that long in the last month of pregnancy. I think DH would have moved out if he could.

Ofcourse YABU (other than getting yourself in this situation in the first place..easy to say with hindsight). I'd start preparing her for the end of this situation too.

flouncyfanny · 23/08/2019 14:09

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MeanMrMustardSeed · 23/08/2019 14:10

Absolutely totally no way. Just be clear - thank her for checking but no way. You would be really unfair on yourself, your marriage and your children if you said yes!

MzHz · 23/08/2019 14:10

Absolutely what @flouncyfanny said

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