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Why are people STILL racist in 2019?

180 replies

malificent7 · 20/08/2019 21:46

Is is fear or something? Just feel that so much is fuelled by xenophobia...Brexit, stabbings, right wing extremism is on the rise.in a more interconnected world i would hope for the opposite

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ShortCircuit181 · 24/08/2019 09:41

Mumsnet is frequented by a primarily middle class, professional demographic - this is evident from past user surveys and the threads which show that most work in professional jobs earning >£30k p/a.

It's all good and well to dismiss anti-white sentiments on the basis of past colonialism when your primary experience of dealing with ethnic minorities is talking to Kully from the legal team.

Try spending a few weeks working as a delivery driver in places like Alum Rock, servicing Halal butchers and groceries etc, then come back and tell us all about your experience. It's nothing to do with colonialism. It's tribal mentality that most races/groups display.

Genderfree · 24/08/2019 12:34

I hope you’re daughter gets the help she needs Chickeny. No child should have to suffer like this. The way her experiences have been dismissed on here by a certain poster is an absolute disgrace. Just plain nasty.

Mackerz · 28/08/2019 00:06

@EmeraldShamrock

Interesting article from the Irish Times

www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/abroad/are-the-british-really-as-xenophobic-as-they-ve-been-made-out-to-be-since-brexit-1.3910892?mode=amp

From the article, “Similarly, the EU’s own agency for fundamental rights released findings last year revealing that the UK has had some of the lowest rates of race-related harassment in the EU, with only 3 per cent of UK-based respondents reporting harassment. In Ireland, the figure was 13 per cent.”

The UK has its problems but, compared with other countries, the UK is a tolerant place.

RosesAndRaindrops · 28/08/2019 00:27

It's hate in general
Don't see it so much in RL, but come online and see so much racism, homophobia and transphobia Sad
I just don't get it.
I think the poster who said people fear "different" has something there.
It's ignorance.
Fear of the unknown.

EmeraldShamrock · 28/08/2019 08:44

@Mackerz it is good to know, I can imagine it is like here neighbour to neighbour, respect your neighbour no matter what.
I read a good point up thread, not all racists are white it is very true, A new security guard started in work he is from Moldova tanned Muslim man seemed nice, he was complaining about the benefit system in Ireland, then he said if I had a black face I would get more, I was horrified and told him it was a racist comment, the next time he said all the polish are alcoholics and violent I reported him for his hate talk.

malificent7 · 28/08/2019 09:12

In the xare homes and hispitals where i work there are many people from abroad working hard for us Brits..to look after us. I see it as them working hard in jobs Brits don't want to do, racists see it as foreigners stealing their jobs.

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TrainspottingWelsh · 28/08/2019 13:45

It isn’t that simple malificent. Here I see people that used to do jobs that can’t any longer, because when they previously had low, but predictable incomes, boosted when needed by waking nights, slightly higher pay for jobs requiring more experience/ difficulty, overtime rates etc, they’re now zero hours, minimum wage.

If you don’t have dependents, either at all or with you in the UK, or life in your home country was that bad, the extremely low quality of life that sort of employment gives is tolerable. If you need an income that will pay the rent on your family home, to predict childcare needs and cost, to allow for the higher cost of a family, versus the lower cost of a family outside the uk or no dependents at all, then it isn’t about not wanting to do the job, it’s being unable to.

You or I might understand that is the greed of employers and a cost cutting exercise to take advantage of an immigrant desperate enough to take the job, but it isn’t fuelled by pure racism if you don’t understand and blame the immigrants. And ime the majority aren’t blaming individual immigrants, but every time their valid concerns are raised they are dismissed as racists. And if some then end up in the position where they feel only the far right is listening, then all those liberally minded people that have dismissed them are just as responsible for the racist views that then ensue.

Not that I’m condoning or justifying supporting BNP views, just pointing out that all the people that sat in their ivory towers shouting racism and expecting those with least to suck up the disadvantages of immigration, whilst they with more only benefited from the advantages deserve equal disgust and condemnation.

scottishdiem · 28/08/2019 14:06

Because humans are tribal. Which is both an evolutionary thing and a scientific fuck up. The science part was the idea to separate different humans into races. As a species we are the same. But scientific thinking split us up and we've been dealing with that ever since.

There is an odd thing that affects humans. Generally we dont like our local societies to change (street, neighborhoods, villages, towns) and fear change when it becomes city and country wide.

We dont like new houses being built, new types of people moving next door to us. Nice areas protest and "non nice" developments anywhere near them. etc. etc.

This is, when you really think about it, all very odd. We are only on this planet 80 odd years. Humans have been around for over 100,000+ years. The societies, social structures, tribalism, inordinate pride in coming from a certain piece of geography, that is held so dear by so many people is actually a relatively new thing. Nation states, with national identities are only a few hundred years old.

Which then makes differences very real. Different ideas, different values, different approaches to life. And humans find it hard to accept differences. And dont want those differences near them and use racism to reject and be very clear about those rejections.

Of course, being on a planet of 6bn people (and growing) rejecting differences in other humans and wanting society to never change is impossible.

Instead of racism we need to actually look at how everyone can agree common sets of basic values and basic behaviors where we can share the same spaces without falling out.

But that is harder than being racist so we tend to do that instead.

Drabarni · 28/08/2019 14:20

It's anybody who wants to live life differently to what is considered normal society.
It doesn't even have to be colour, it can be your culture, creed and belief system that comes in for racial abuse.

Instead of racism we need to actually look at how everyone can agree common sets of basic values and basic behaviors where we can share the same spaces without falling out

Yes, but how can you agree basic values, they different from race to race, and culture to culture. It's these differences that cause some of the problems.

It's not being the same it's recognising diversity and how we are all different.
Living your life the way you want to shouldn't mean you are open to racial abuse.

scottishdiem · 28/08/2019 14:26

Yes, but how can you agree basic values, they different from race to race, and culture to culture. It's these differences that cause some of the problems.

Indeed. I didnt say it was easy. I said it was harder. But humans arent all that different which we sit down and talk and get to know more about each other. Sure, some things will be harder to get around than others. But to fall into racism is to not even try.

Living your life the way you want to shouldn't mean you are open to racial abuse.

Interesting. Where does living the way you want stop only affecting you and starts affecting others?

Drabarni · 28/08/2019 14:30

I'm not sure living the way you want to does affect anyone else, well not just because you are different, anyway.
I don't bother anyone, but still get racial abuse and threatened with all kinds of things, even arson on my home.
People shouldn't be affected by how others lead their lives.

nowayhose · 28/08/2019 14:36

Because there will always be nasty people as well as nice ones I'm afraid.

Nasty people will use any difference, whether perceived or real, to cause conflict.

Nice people don't see differences between people as a basis for any conflict.

There are no reasons why we cannot live in peace with anyone else.

Teach your children to value PEOPLE above all else. People first, above religion, above selfishness, above politics, above race, above avarice, above everything.

Judge the INDIVIDUAL on their actions and words, and remember, be one of the 'nice' people. :)

Palmtreee · 28/08/2019 15:55

Something I came across a couple of days ago. Racism is still very much a problem.

Why are people STILL racist in 2019?
shiningstar2 · 28/08/2019 16:10

I think it's often feelings of insecurity or suspicion of other cultures. Some people have very narrow world views. It has to be said that this is common across races and cultures. Lovely friends from a variety of backgrounds/races/cultures have admitted amongst trusted friends that their own parents or grandparents are just as prejudiced about other cultures/races as the dominant one is sometimes about them.

Drabarni · 28/08/2019 16:37

Palmtree

OMG, I don't know where to start.
Maybe they were swigging from champagne bottles because their horse had won, a bit like any owner would do.
Perhaps this man didn't realise that travellers were a big part of the races.
I think with travellers a lot of the racism is down to jealousy. Some people believe all sorts of crap to justify racism.

beccarocksbaby · 28/08/2019 17:29

Absolute fear of POC doing what white people have been doing to them for centuries?

Same with men and feminism. They wanna be glad we want equality and not revenge.

beccarocksbaby · 28/08/2019 17:39

I think a lot of more "modern racism" is down to a lack of understanding of what racism actually is. It's not just using the N word or direct discrimination but a systematic approach built into public services and institutions which favours white people or disadvantages POC.

It's more complex than they called me a name and it's undeniable that this still exists and is widely reported across nearly all social statistics.

The term "Whitey" was actually born out of racism btw for those people getting upset about it, it's because lots of black people were losing their social media accounts for referring to white people and the problems they encountered. Nothing aggressive. Many had to fight to get their accounts back. The term Whitey or YT was used to avoid that.

It's exceptionally difficult to be "racist" to white folk given there is no such systematic oppression of white folk. Particularly hilarious when white men claim it.

White people have their own problems yes. Racism directed at them is not one of them.

beccarocksbaby · 28/08/2019 17:41

Also - people who don't think Racism, or "real racism" as the PP called it, is a problem explain the rise of the alt right across EU and America?

Drabarni · 28/08/2019 20:06

I think a lot of more "modern racism" is down to a lack of understanding of what racism actually is. It's not just using the N word or direct discrimination but a systematic approach built into public services and institutions which favours white people or disadvantages POC.

Absolutely, it's not just colour, I'm white British and am racially abused from believe it or not my own people as well as general society.
I'm married to a non Romany, several of my family have disowned me as racist to the gauja.
Then people in society shout racial abuse at me and threaten to kill me and my family by burning our home.
The Police don't want to know, they are too busy and would never know who they were anyhow because we move around constantly.

ShortCircuit181 · 29/08/2019 18:19

White people have their own problems yes. Racism directed at them is not one of them.

As per my earlier point, you've obviously just not encountered it personally. I've worked at a driver in majority Muslim areas in Birmingham and people used to deliberately block me in and refuse to move their cars etc. I've also been spat at and dealt with a lot of aggressive behaviour. It certainly felt like a problem when it was a near daily occurrence.

beccarocksbaby · 29/08/2019 21:10

As per my earlier point, you've obviously just not encountered it personally. I've worked at a driver in majority Muslim areas in Birmingham and people used to deliberately block me in and refuse to move their cars etc. I've also been spat at and dealt with a lot of aggressive behaviour. It certainly felt like a problem when it was a near daily occurrence.

As per my earlier post whilst that's abusive and vile and certainly a police matter but it is not a systematic structure which disadvantages you as a white person. Society is not structured to disadvantage you. Racism is a systematic disadvantage not just isolated incidents of abuse.

dayslikethese1 · 30/08/2019 01:55

It seems to be seen as socially acceptable to be racist towards travellers. My local FB group is full of horrible comments about them.

dayslikethese1 · 30/08/2019 02:03

Oh and as for ppl claiming there's no blatant racism IRL, I literally heard a man ranting the other day on the train about Muslims being child abusers. I could give many other examples. And I've only ever lived in largish multi cultural cities so it's not confined to small towns either.

Nat6999 · 30/08/2019 04:09

I'm 53 & I had never seen an Asian or coloured person until I was probably 7 or 8 years old, the first coloured person I ever saw was when a family moved in round the corner from where I lived, I was friends with their youngest daughter who is the same age as me. There weren't any great number of other ethnicities in our city until probably the late 70's so for my parents & grandparents generation they were something very different. When I went to comprehensive school there were only 2 coloured & maybe 2 or 3 Asian pupils in the whole school, not through choice, but the catchment area was very white british & the majority of it still is today.

Actionhasmagic · 30/08/2019 04:23

Fuelled by social media too - so so sad

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