Why are people STILL racist in 2019?

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Is is fear or something? Just feel that so much is fuelled by xenophobia...Brexit, stabbings, right wing extremism is on the rise.in a more interconnected world i would hope for the opposite

In fact this 'only white people can be racist' narrative fucks me right off

user It fucks me right off that there are ignorant white people use that worn out 'black people are racist too' dumb analogy. It's tired.

White privilege absolutely exists in a Britain that drained numerous countries around this world of money and resources then has the audacity to complain when people from the countries they drained, turn up here.

Does a black person (supposedly) being racist towards you affect your job prospects? Is there a black version of the Day Heil demonising you on an almost daily basis, directly affecting how society views you?

At work, can a black woman turn on the tears and trembling lip and have you labelled as 'aggressive' for daring to respond to a slight?

Do SUS laws affect you more? In fact will the new Section 60 powers impact you?

I just wondered with this racism against white people and its impact upon your access to to eployment and services, how you're managing to bear up...

The type of people who'd never understand why Miles Davis turned his back on his audiences and likely think he should have been up there beaming 'We Are The World/Reach Out & Touch' are just as loud in their uncultured ignorance nowadays.

You know loads of racists under 35. Really. You

*You are pointing out that just as many youths as elders are racists.

Useful.

So what is the solution?

Keep blaming whitey, regardless of their personal beliefs, despite the fact that general society needs to change before the systemic racism can even begin to be outed?

If my 13 year old cuts herself because of the names she is called daily, well that is ok because, should she make it to adulthood, she will be privileged because she has white skin. There is racism in both directions, it just doesn't count if you are white, because we are all the same obviously.

How has the country come to the position of having an openly racist prime minister? Why is this tolerated? Because we are all so busy fighting each other that nobody is being called to account.

But I dont deserve an experience or an opinion because I am just a whitey.

As for white people claiming non English heritage, do you think that makes a difference to your privileges? No. I have no English heritage, but I am white, so I guess I deserve it.

chicken your daughter's self harm has nothing to do with race and using it as an argument is emotional manipulation.

Stick to the facts. Maybe read a book about racism instead of just assuming that because her life is hard she has no privilege.

Ignorance.

I live in a 'nice' commuter town north of London. I've noticed that lots of the dd's friends parents, usually the ones who've lived here all their lives (often whose own parents were born in London and moved out for a 'better' life) are hugely racist. These are people that have often never moved from the town or if they did, for uni, came back. All know each other from way back, usually lots of money, lots have good jobs. They Find racist humour and just racist thinking totally normal and acceptable.
It's utterly bizarre to me. I put it down to a sort of tribalism-a kind of batten down the hatches feeling-even from those who commute into London each day-so it's not lack of exposure to other cultures, although our town is not at all multicultural. (London is half an hour on the train but like another planet culturally). Also maybe something passed on from their parents who moved out of areas of north London that had become more and more deprived during the 60's and 70's (which they very vocally and inaccurately put down to BME communities living there)?

Either way it's quite shocking and problematic. I'll be talking to someone and getting on fine and then they'll drop 'I'm not racist but....' into the conversation and My heart sinks...

I'm from the North originally, another small town, also not especially multicultural, but I found the racism up there to be less inherent than here, though it may be different now.

Just look at the Fail today and you have your answer. It's intellectual phlegm.
Blaming Others is so much easier than taking an honest look at oneself.

How has the country come to the position of having an openly racist prime minister?

Because there are a lot of racists here. & he speaks their language. It isn't all that hard to work out. He's worked it out tho - How to deny services to people he and his elite set don't actually give a shit about, and then very easily convince said people that it's all the fault of those who look different. When there's more than enough money to sort out a panacea of ills here but, the elite keep it for themselves. Just as they stole money and artefacts from many other countries but the wealth gained from all that didn't truckle down to white working class.

When you have people who crave to be ruled by who they see as their betters whilst they themselves strive for ever more ways to look down on others, you gain a chaotic society.

I wonder what would happen if all immigrants and their descendants went home. You wouldn't get much done here, would you...

I dont think British people are more racist than others on the whole. However, racists here are being particularly well activated right now. As always in history they're the grunts, the useful idiots servicing a sinister agenda.

@LiveInAHidingPlace

ODFOD you are just nasty

I think I object to the US concept of 'white privilige' being misimported to the UK.

Neither Kwasi Kwarteng nor Bim Afolami come from a Brixton council estate, and I didn't go to Eton.

Vice versa, in fact.

chicken for asking you to stick to the topic which, sorry, is far bigger and more important than your daughter?

I always thought society would progressively get better. It just seemed logical to me as we learned from past mistakes. I was wrong unfortunately. How did we get here? I am so sad/worried about our society.

You are reading the wrong stuff if you genuinely don’t believe that “society” - by which I assume you mean British society - isn’t getting better. When, exactly, would you prefer to have lived? Because for the vast majority of people prior to about 1950, life was incredibly difficult.

You’ve won the historical lottery being born in the West in the late 20th / early 21st century. And Britain is - comparatively speaking - an astonishingly tolerant place.

Putting Brexit in the list shows you're being an idiot.

Most stabbings are black people stabbing other black people btw, same as us shootings.

Keep reading the guardian and fearing the world

Brexit is not racist

@LiveInAHidingPlace

You dont get to invalidate my daughters experience of racial prejudice because of your agenda.

I have not denied white privilege in any of my posts. It is pretty clear that this exists, but it shouldn't. The existence of white privilege does not excuse race hate in either direction.

It is a problem society needs to solve exactly because of the fact that the leaders of the 2 largest political parties in this country are racists. There should be a public outcry. But instead of joining forces for change, it is all tit for tat.

I dont want my children to be racist, think that is normal, accept jobs ahead of better qualified black people. I would be disgusted with them if they did. But I also dont want my children to grow up being ashamed of the colour of their skin, because of factors outside their control.

I must work and live on a different planet to most posters here. My landlord isn't white, he is east Asian and on renting this house I know what is expected of me, because we have a good relationship. My boss isn't white, she can sack me if she wanted, but we get on well, because we aren't arseholes. My doctors, social worker and my daughters CAHMs counsellor, they aren't white, so what? They are all highly qualified and I am grateful for them every day.

These is systemic racism, but there are also millions of people trying to raise children who can identify this and call it out for what it is.

Asking every person whether they are white and then discounting their experiences just be cause of that single factor is racial prejudice.

@chickenyhead

Excellent post. ^ I hope your lovely DD is OK now.

chicken I'm not invalidating anything. If you can't stop your emotions clouding what people say, don't post about emotional subjects.

You can't manipulate the discussion by making people feel like they can't discuss big, serious issues because your daughter also has issues. That's just bullshit.

I can sit here and tell you 100 awful things that have happened to me and my family, but none of them have anything to do with racism so what's the point? Your family isn't the only one with problems so take it down a notch.

It isn’t a competition Live. Guess what, if a white person suffers racism from someone who isn’t white, it isn’t right and people are allowed to talk about it. Despite of what many on MN says, yep white peoples can be victims of racism.

gender no one said it's a competition.

If we're in the UK, no whites cannot be a victim of racism, because racism is prejudice plus privilege. They can suffer from prejudice, of course, which is also horrible. But until you've been a victim of actual racism, where you feel the burden of an entire society judging you, you cannot say you've experienced racism. It is nothing like the same thing.

The fact is that nowadays it is considered ok to be of any race except white, as being white means you automatically benefit from white privilege (which is in fact true) but you haven't chosen that, you haven't done anything beyond being born, to be automatically lumped in the racist camp.

@chickenyhead you speak a lot of sense but then you come out with something like this?! 87% of the UK is white, OF COURSE being white is an advantage! Saying it’s ok to be any other race than white is just ridiculous.

And you say your dd gets racist abuse daily! Even black people don’t get abuse daily so that’s a ridiculous exaggeration. You would from anywhere you get daily abuse.

And just because your landlord and doctor are non-white doesn’t mean there is no white privilege.

~you would move from anywhere

Because humans have evolved to believe they are superior. Every other living creature and even the planet itself takes second place to human demands so it’s not surprising some humans feel superior to other humans. Whilst humans have some incredible traits and have done some amazing thing no other animal causes as much destruction. Only humans kill on mass for pleasure and justify it as a much needed war to end all wars or terrorism. Humans take joy out of excluding others on race or gender, only humans out their own creations such as money at the heart of society and leave others without basic needs and shrug it off. Fortunately its the minority that is racist but there will always be that minority.

@Cassilis

Thank you for your response. We are all learning and I'm starting to feel that this is a hopeless situation for the future generations. We should simply give up.

I actually wont be posting on her again because it is clear that an individual's experiences, hopes, efforts to change things are irrelevant .

You know, all this doubt about my daughter makes me sick, but I guess that is because I see her everyday when she comes home from school and I've done my best to educate her on humanity.

I'm not actually going to go in to the detail here as I see that it is irrelevant, and just for her life to be further dissected, but you can experience being excluded/shunned/laughed at etc etc every single day if you are the minority because of your skin colour in a group of teenage girls, even if not in society. Call it bullying, call it whatever you damn well like. I no longer care for this hatred based solely on skin colour.