Why are people STILL racist in 2019?

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Is is fear or something? Just feel that so much is fuelled by xenophobia...Brexit, stabbings, right wing extremism is on the rise.in a more interconnected world i would hope for the opposite

*Hoped.

Because the older generation grew up with it.

Your going to have to wait for them to all die for that

Because there will always be ignorant wankers in the world.

It is the parents. TBF I do think England is still an extreme racist country.
Certain football supporters particularly are total scum.

emerald oh come off it, the UK is extremely liberal compared to most countries when it comes to race.

Not to say there aren't massive problems - there are.

Mainly because people have made currency out of calling people who aren't racist, racist for so long. This is part of the price of the left wing fun.

Firstly the term doesn't mean as much any more to a lot of people, more often a frivolous or malicious accusation than not.

Secondly look at kids growing up. When they see adults suggesting half of all their country, everyone who votes Republican or conservative or brexit or whatever is a full on racist they don't realise that person is being melodramatic, or a liar, or a bit cunty to win an argument. They think this is true in earnest, they see no subtext, this is their environment that frames what is acceptable.

It's the same phenomenon as letting kids who do not understand the joke watch south park and then being surprised when they say anti semitic stuff in earnest. If you pretend your country is 50% comprised of people who consider racism acceptable with a nod and a wink at your political bedfellows, don't be surprised when teenagers accept that as literally true.

At the risk of sounding like I’m minimising the racist abuse in football, I think the problem is often more complex when it’s less open.

Eg when my friend alone was called into school by the new headmaster over concerns about her sons behaviour with his little friends. At no point was he accused of being the ringleader, and the teacher was equally surprised because the behaviour was mild, occasional silliness, and nothing remotely remarkable. But of course the headmaster was concerned because boys like him are more likely to end up in gangs as criminals etc. Because if you’re white and once threw a pen at your friend when you were 9 that’s irrelevant to your future. But your Afro Caribbean heritage and black skin will send you down the drug dealing and knife crime route if you do the same. That type of racism is a lot harder to prove and call out.

@LiveInAHidingPlace You're right I shouldn't have used extreme, there are definitely more extreme countries, people of different races won't even visit.

"Because we, as a society, are programmable. And we're being instructed to hate eachother."

PP has it right. I have recently done some research on the Austerity Programme implemented by the Lib Dems and Tories and still in full flow.

All of this is planned, this is fascism. All of the mainstream media are complicit in this. Hatred of others, a ideology of control through fear.

I cannot believe I live in these times.

Because people believe the government fuelled media, blame the immigrants, blame the black youths, blame single parents, blame the muslims or Jews or whoever else isn't white Christian....because if none of them were in our green and pleasant land, you would be living the utopian dream.
Don't look at the real truth....government spending, stealing etc....
I believe all of us, whatever colour or creed, have a form of racism in us, years ago it was for survival, to keep within your groups, but it is for us, ourselves, to squash that gene totally.

Because it never went away. It just kept its head down because it knew you couldn't say things like that in public. But now thanks to Farage's "Breaking Point," Mays "Go Home" immigration vans and others, it is now back in fashion to say "I'm not a racist, but dot dot dot....."

I agree wholeheartedly with this. "Because we, as a society, are programmable. And we're being instructed to hate each other." Until we each take individual responsibility to look at what has been programmed into each and every one of us we will not change and we will not move forward. I used to feel horrified that it still existed too OP. I'm not any longer. We are conditioned to feel separate from one another and to highlight our differences. We need to let that go. We are all one human race.

@Bravelurker Tue 20-Aug-19 22:42:33
Personally I don’t think many people really are. Doesn’t everyone know someone with “views” but who gets on great with their one neighbour, relative ,work colleague who’s one of the groups they expunge on.

I sort of agree with this to some extent, I mean I bet Tommy Robinson has met at least one Muslim person who he was nice to because they were nice to him and everyone is like this. But not everyone goes on hate fueled marches and shoots up places of worship where Muslims go.

Tommy Robinson grew up and is friends with lots of people that aren't white, and or are muslim.

The definition of racism has been significantly blurred over the last decade or so. For example, with immigration. It’s become so ridiculous that you can’t even raise valid concerns about the country becoming overpopulated and the subsequent lack of resources (i.e. homes, school places, NHS, welfare, etc) without being labelled a bigot.

I don’t believe in divide and conquer. We’re generally not that stupid. We can watch a Panorama documentary, take it with a pinch of salt and draw our own conclusions. Same with politicians when they’re spouting their drivel. We’ve all got BJ’s number haven’t we?

Nevertheless, the issue is that you can’t decant one country into another and expect a positive result. People don’t want their standard of living lowered. And it’s usually the ones at the lower end of the social spectrum who are hit the hardest.

@ElizaDee, that first paragraph was not mine as I have never used the word 'expunge' in my life and have no idea what it means . I don't doubt that at all about Tommy babes.

The same reason that people are still homophobic, the same reason that people still discriminate against people who are different religions from them, or have a disability or are living with an STD... because there are a lot of fascists around even now. And they arent always blatant about it either. I've met a few who are intelligent enough to appear open minded and accepting, but when they get comfortable, they hit you with some vile fascist comment.
In an ideal world we'd have all moved with the times and in 'this day and age' we wouldn't have to deal with fascists... but we don't live in an ideal world.

Because people don't like / fear difference?

My DGM would actually tell you that she was racist (although she got along with her West Indian neighbour).

She was unhappy because the place she was born and brought up; where she raised her family, changed beyond all recognition by the time she was old.

The local shops closed down and new ones no longer catered to her needs but to the in-comers. She felt outnumbered, like a stranger in her own street and didn't like it.

Idaho999 Even football racism I think is more likely a case of goading than actual hatred of a player because of their race.

What, so racist remarks don't count as 'proper racism' if you are 'only' saying it to goad someone?! What utter bollocks.

And racism doesn't really exist much any more except 'football racism'? More utter bollocks. Try talking to some people who have experienced it.

Because they are still dumb

whiteroseredrose Thu 22-Aug-19 14:31:05
She was unhappy because the place she was born and brought up; where she raised her family, changed beyond all recognition by the time she was old.

The local shops closed down and new ones no longer catered to her needs but to the in-comers. She felt outnumbered, like a stranger in her own street and didn't like it.

This is probably what enabled the leave vote. Along with anyone voicing this being called racist for the last 20 years.

Because the older generation grew up with it. You're going to have to wait for them all to die for that

Yes, because all those yelling at black players at football matches, all the arseholes in right wing racist groups, all the attackers of racial or religious groups all over the world are from the older generation are they?

Racist or xenophobic? They’re two different things.

The racist tweets towards Pogba when he missed that penalty - pretty much all football fans would be delighted to meet Pogba

Of course they would he's a famous footballer. They're still racists.

But for some reason they have to call them a 'black bastard' rather than a 'bastard'

That's because they're racists.

It’s that age old systematic view among a certain demographic that we are better than everyone else in the world and this piece of land belongs to us. We aren’t and it doesn’t.

Also people are naive and believe what they see in the media and on social media and don’t understand that all those items are hand picked to be seen by the masses and to meet a business / viewership need.
It’s a truly disgusting state of affairs.

Also sometimes because Bob from down the road says Angie’s brother in law’s cousin twice removed got sacked because someone from ‘over there’ came over and ‘stole their job’. Stories like that also meet that certain demographic’s preferred train of thought.