Monarchy Abolished?

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Other threads have inspired me

Do you think we’ll ever live to see the Royals gone or perhaps our children will?

I can see public support for it to be abolished once the Queens gone. I feel like they’ve had too many chances at this point. The cover up of Andrews vile friendship with the sexual predator Epstein and the awful things Andrew probably did plus the pictures with teenagers has been an outrage. I also really like Harry and Meghan but their hypocrisy is quite embarrassing how they’re banging on about climate change and then jetting off across the globe on private jets. And more and more for all royals.

AIBU to think their time is up soon

NewStarterPack Also remove titles aside from this small number of people. There is no room for Dukes, Earls, Lady this and that anymore. Again, it is reinforcing the class system and inequality.

Alternatively, make them pay. I guess you can classify titles as some type of property and make a case for not removing them on some basis, and its a lot of history to be lost, so why not make money out of them instead? People who want to hold onto their titles should be given the choice to pay a "title tax".

After all, titles are based on feudalism which originally meant feudal serfs giving up their labour and produce to the aristocracy and the barons providing arms (soldiers), so why not get something back and reverse it now that we no longer believe in these outmoded methods of social organisation?

We got rid of feudal landholding a while back so I see no reason why we can't get rid of the monarchy and replace it with a proper constitutional republic, with procedures for stuff like Brexit laid down in advance.

Your ‘argument’ to put it loosely involved the confiscation of private assets which is absolutely contrary to the concept of Liberal Democracy.

No it isn’t.

You appear to not be able to read.

They are not and never were private lands.

Go educate yourself. The first paragraph of the wiki entry covers it for starters.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crown_Estate?wprov=sfti1

www.thecrownestate.co.uk/en-gb/our-business/our-history/

I've always been pro-royals, but Andrew and Harry are doing an immense amount of damage at the moment.

How would anyone actually go about making a case for the abolishment of the Monarchy though?
You can be pretty sure a petitions.co.uk is going to end with you on a list somewhere and marching on parliament with placards saying down with the monarchy is also unlikely to lead to a long, healthy, strife free life!

The Monarchy are in a position where they can silence the average joe pretty swiftly, and it’s not in parliaments interest to put forward the idea.

Its perfectly possible to split the RF's private landholdings and those which belong to the nation, without depriving them of their property rights. A commission would be established to oversee it and any settlement would include compensation if required and be set down in legislation.

As for it being impossible to abolish the monarchy for political reasons, perhaps now but not 100 years in the future, so seeds for change can be sown. It is an outdated model and Brexit has illustrated the appalling problems with the UK'S outdated constitutional model. For one thing, a simple majority in a referendum allowing for constitutional change is something that could be addressed in a proper written constitution. Articles of Association in a company require 75% in favour for changing a company's constitution!

I think this day in age seeing people bow down them and all stand in crowds waving flags etc at them is just embarrassing.

Lol, this post genuinely made me laugh. Public service, giving a speech every once in a while?

You haven't got a clue have you. The royals go to over 2000 public engagements a year. Why don't you see how many public engagements the queen has held over her life, including the garden parties when she opens up her home and spends the day talking to thousands of people who contribute to society.

No doubt if I could be bothered to check you (likely highly mundane) posting history you'd have an AIBU about having to go to a wedding where you didn't know anyone and talk to strangers for a few hours

The very concept of a monarchy is just silly and embarrassing. It belongs in the past. It is beyond time that they were abolished.

I wonder if it were shown to be a fact that 90% of the population wanted to abolish the Monarchy, would there be any chance that would happen? I think not. So much for democracy

Why wouldn't it? We look about to exit the EU with disastrous consequences on the back of a far smaller referendum outcome than that. Unfortunately for you the royals' popularity is well into a very comfortable majority right now.

The democracy in the UK is one of the best and most stable anywhere in human civilisation so I can't see why you would condemn it based on your likely incorrect prediction of the outcome of a hypothetical referendum - how odd!

You haven't got a clue have you. The royals go to over 2000 public engagements a year.”

1. How many royals?
2. How many of those engagements take more than, say, an hour?
3. How many of them are things like the Wimbledon final, the FA Cup Final or first nights at the opera or ballet?

Yeah well my extended family goes to work over two thousand days a year. Can we have some palaces?

For my entire life I've been sold the Monarchy as the magic ingredient which prevents Britain falling into extremist governments as happened across Europe in the 20th century.

Turns out it was a complete crock, and they are a bunch of spongers who are quite happy to take the money, and have no intention whatsover of doing the job. So they are not only an anachronism, but a useless one at that.

No idea what we'd replace them with admittedly. But given recent events, that's the norm these days.

Because that’s about 6 engagements a day. And there are quite a lot of royals.

The royals go to over 2000 public engagements a year

Ah, yes. Those.

• "Hi, Valenta, what have you been up to recently?"

• "Well, I had a great day yesterday! Someone paid for me to have a combined luxury day trip and pamper day.

It started in the morning, when I was woken up at 8am with tea and biscuits, and someone had put all my clothes out ready to wear, run my bath and even squeezed my toothpaste.
Then, after my breakfast was made for me, I got picked up in a Rolls Royce and taken to a town in Wales where I was given a VIP tour, a 5 star lunch, lots of freebies and a bunch of flowers. Everyone was so kind to me, they were hanging on my every word and couldn't do enough to make sure I was happy.
I was driven home again in the Rolls and when I got back, a lovely afternoon tea had been prepared for me. Not only that, but someone had done all my housework and filled my house with beautiful antiques and designer furnishings. Meanwhile, a skilled chef was working away in my kitchen.
Then it was time to change into a new designer evening gown that I'd also been given free, and some antique diamond jewellery. As part of the pamper package, several of my family members were chauffeured to my house and at 8pm, we all sat down to a five course meal with vintage wines. The experience didn't end there. When I went to bed, my bed had been made up with fresh, new, crisp sheets, my bath was run and my toothpaste squeezed once more.

The amazing thing is, I didn't pay a penny for all this! If only I could live like this every day."

Oh dear. Lots of small minded jealous people who can’t see the bigger picture, don’t understand value chains, don’t respect private ownership of property, refuse to learn some basic facts before spouting garbage, and brilliantly think they might even be capable of acting with anything remotely approaching the decorum required to represent the state.

Represent the council estate more like!

You haven't got a clue have you. The royals go to over 2000 public engagements a year. Why don't you see how many public engagements the queen has held over her life, including the garden parties when she opens up her home and spends the day talking to thousands of people who contribute to society.

Oh my poor heart. How could I ever underestimate the hard work these royals do? 🙄 🎻

Gee, could it be because everyone in this country is overworked and underpaid, and that's for actual real work! Not jollies at parties. A nurse working for the NHS with a lack of resource, a lack of staff, forced overtime, underpayment, and a blame culture all around... Hmm, I think I know who I'm saving my sympathies for. And it's definitely not anyone in the royal family!

Represent the council estate more like!

What is that supposed to mean?

(btw if you thinking your going to win hearts and minds over to the monarchy with posts like this, let me just tell you, you're really not. If you care about them at all you should probably stop now.)

It’s OK- @Shortstuff99 is joking. Don’t rise.

So you’re just jealous then. I see. Why stop with the royals though. Why not take away anyone’s house that is better than yours and give it to ‘the poor’

If you care about them at all you should probably stop now

You’re possibly overstating the importance of Mumsnet’s ability to affect political / constitutional affairs in the U.K.

Represent the council estate more like!

Gosh, yes, because living on a council estate of course makes you a terrible, unworthy sort of person ...*

So you’re just jealous then. I see. Why stop with the royals though. Why not take away anyone’s house that is better than yours and give it to ‘the poor’

🤖

Why stop with the royals though.

Why indeed? The principle should extend to all those with inherited titles and estates comprising multiple properties and leaseholds. But let's do one thing at a time and begin with the worst offenders.

So now no one can inherit 2 properties from their family? A couple who saved all their life to buy a small investment property can not leave that and their house to their kids.

Presumably because you aren’t in a position to benefit from such an arrangement, or leave the same to your kids.

Ok Comrade. Hard to see where the phrase ‘the politics of envy’ comes from.

Why stop with the royals though

They are taxpayer funded that’s why! I couldn’t care less if people are rich but we shouldn’t be funding this over privileged family.