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Monarchy Abolished?

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malibuloving · 19/08/2019 17:52

Other threads have inspired me Grin

Do you think we’ll ever live to see the Royals gone or perhaps our children will?

I can see public support for it to be abolished once the Queens gone. I feel like they’ve had too many chances at this point. The cover up of Andrews vile friendship with the sexual predator Epstein and the awful things Andrew probably did plus the pictures with teenagers has been an outrage. I also really like Harry and Meghan but their hypocrisy is quite embarrassing how they’re banging on about climate change and then jetting off across the globe on private jets. And more and more for all royals.

AIBU to think their time is up soon

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BertrandRussell · 20/08/2019 12:53

@Shortstuff99 - can you answer my questions about the 2000 engagements?

HMArsey · 20/08/2019 12:54

The Queen has no power, it’s all symbolic, she can’t even vote.

So why on earth do we give a shit about her and her descendants? It's madness. For all the impact they have on the world - actual impact, rather than just the selling of Now magazine - why is this family still set apart from all the other rich families with long histories in the UK?

If the forelock tugging sycophants wised up and stopped queueing up to watch them open a leisure centre the RF could just drift off into obscurity. Surely nobody would actually notice they'd gone?

ScreamingValenta · 20/08/2019 12:57

Presumably because you aren’t in a position to benefit from such an arrangement, or leave the same to your kids.

I'm happy with the house I've got, and would have no use for the one owned by my parents. I've worked to pay for my own house - I wouldn't dream of relying on inheriting one.

I have no children to leave my house to, so if I don't need to release and spend all the equity before I die, e.g. on care fees, it's being left to charity.

Shortstuff99 · 20/08/2019 12:58

I can see the attraction of joining a community called ‘mumsnet’

ScreamingValenta · 20/08/2019 13:00

Not that old chestnut again, Shortstuff.

Drabarni · 20/08/2019 13:01

It will never happen unless there is an up rising, they aren't going to volunteer to go.

CedarTreeLeaf · 20/08/2019 13:05

Lol, the first responders of London who would be tasked with saving your life if you needed saving, could be living in council estates. The police, fire brigade, ambulance first responders, nurses, junior doctors, all of those jobs don't pay enough for most to afford a fancy new build house in London. Or if they do have a house, it might be a council one. So what... Fuck all those people? I mean they're just people in a council estate, right? But kiss the arses of a bunch of rich fucks in the billionaire class who couldn't give a shit about you? Right right, next time you need an ambulance I would like to see you have the balls to say that to someone's face.

Dotty1970 · 20/08/2019 13:09

I live in hope they will be gone ..

Gobbolinocat · 20/08/2019 13:14

Interesting devolopment today it will be hard to see how Andrew gets out of it.

Legals representing the girls have welcomed Andrews comments condemning epstein, and welcome his close help in pinning down events..

He has been physically traced to new York and some islands at the same time as Roberts.

He can't get out of this.

Re the engaments I imagine it is hard work actually, watching what one says, the stick they get the pressure. One hour engagement won't be just rocking up.
There is hair, make up, briefing, travelling etc.

WeshMaGueule · 20/08/2019 13:18

Meh, cry me a river. Hardly doing an overnight shift on an understaffed hospital ward is it?

Shortstuff99 · 20/08/2019 13:21

I'm happy with the house I've got, and would have no use for the one owned by my parents. I've worked to pay for my own house - I wouldn't dream of relying on inheriting one.

The problem with your thinking is that you are firstly not looking outside of the lens of your own slightly unusual circumstances in not having a family and therefore not having anyone to pass your belongings on to to help them. Leaving stuff to charity is laudable but if you have children you'd understand that it is important to help them where you can.

You are assuming that people inheriting a property are 'relying on it' which is nonsense it is simply something nice to do for your offspring to give them some help. You would be more than happy to receive some inheritance no doubt and if not you are not representative of the enormous majority of people.

And finally, the most defective aspect of your view is that people like you always think they are living a 'normal' or 'modest' lifestyle. But if you're advocating state confiscation of assets and wealth distribution, which is exactly what you are doing, what if you were seen as pat of the elite and you had to give up your hard earned, hard worked for house in your lifetime to several needy families to go and live in a dormitory somewhere or maybe in the spare room with your new house sharing families pets or something.

No doubt that would suddenly be 'unfair' or 'unjust' for whatever cognitive dissonant reason you can justify to yourself, that would, of course be completely inconsistent with your argument up to this point.

Socialist thinking always hits a problem at the point when it is you who has to give up what you own. There are many poor people out there who could never afford a home of their own. Have you stopped to think about that as you lambast those with more than you?

CornishMaid1 · 20/08/2019 13:41

The Crown Estates could cause an issue as giving those back to the Royal Family will cost the country a lot of money - the civil list gives the Queen around 15%, so she is effectively taxed at 85% of her income.

It would be sad to lose the Queen as I have a lot of respect for her. I also think that Prince Charles is very astute and would make a very good King (affair aside).

I don't believe they should go completely, but I do agree with others that the Royal Family should be 'thinned' so that members of the Royal Family who are not within a certain distance of the throne should not be funded and should live either from their own wealth or seek employment, e.g. once Charles is on the throne, he can deal with his line but the rest are 'cut off'. The only exception is Andrew who should get cut off and disowned now.

CedarTreeLeaf · 20/08/2019 13:49

The Crown Estates could cause an issue as giving those back to the Royal Family will cost the country a lot of money

Why would the Crown Estates go to people who don't hold the crown?

BertrandRussell · 20/08/2019 13:53

Since @Shortstuff99 is ignoring me, I did a bit of googling. Apparently, Princess Anne is the “busiest” royal. She has 160 working days a year. It strikes me as very unlikely that many of those days are 9-5.......

LaurieMarlow · 20/08/2019 13:58

The Crown Estates could cause an issue as giving those back to the Royal Family will cost the country a lot of money

They don’t belong to the Windsor family, so no need to give them back.

MangoFeverDream · 20/08/2019 14:07

brilliantly think they might even be capable of acting with anything remotely approaching the decorum required to represent the state

So many examples of the RF acting less than decorous; from Prince Philip on down. No need for me to dredge them up, but they need to be booted out. Ireland has a wonderful President, don’t see why Britain can’t have that! Think it will be a serious point of discussion as soon as QE passes, no one likes any of the direct heirs (with the exception of George, he’s only a six-year-old after all)

zackly · 20/08/2019 14:16

Apparently, Princess Anne is the “busiest” royal. She has 160 working days a year. It strikes me as very unlikely that many of those days are 9-5.......

In fairness to her (and I say this as a staunch republican), she could easily sit on her arse eating peeled grapes for the rest of her life and do SFA for anyone else. So I find it hard to criticise her too much for her 160 working days per year, it's certainly nice work if you can get it. There are many people in positions of privilege who do absolutely nothing for the community ever.

mrscampbellblackagain · 20/08/2019 14:30

I suspect William and Harry would love for the monarchy to be dissolved. They would still be uber rich and could fly by private planes for evermore with no criticism Wink

BertrandRussell · 20/08/2019 14:34

“So I find it hard to criticise her too much for her 160 working days per year,”
No - me neither. I posted only to counter the “You have no idea how hard these people work! “ tendency!

mrscampbellblackagain · 20/08/2019 14:37

I don't think any of them exactly work hard. Generally looks a very dull job really.

I personally think by the time William is on the throne the monarchy will look very different.

I like looking at the fashion but there is no way I would turn out to wave a flag at any of them if they were in my locality. And I certainly wouldn't curtsey.

Shortstuff99 · 20/08/2019 14:39

BertrandRussell

The Queen has attended 30,000 public engagements roughly. You think about that. At each one of those she has touched hundreds of lives giving them a memory they will cherish forever.

30,000 that’s probably one, for every 10 or 20 snide sour comments you’ve posted on Mumsnet. I think that’s a decent achievement.

She is 93. And by the time you are 93 you may have posted 30,000 snide or sour comments on Mumsnet or gransnet but I bet you won’t have touched as many lives

HMArsey · 20/08/2019 14:50

The Queen has attended 30,000 public engagements roughly. You think about that. At each one of those she has touched hundreds of lives giving them a memory they will cherish forever.

Doesn't this show a lack of critical thinking amongst those people whose lives she has supposedly touched? What has she done to deserve their adulation except pop out of the right vagina?

janaus50s · 20/08/2019 14:53

I think Australia will move to become a republic once The Queen goes. Probably other commonwealth countries too

Greenteawhisky · 20/08/2019 14:56

Is there a left vagina?

BertrandRussell · 20/08/2019 15:08

“Is there a left vagina?”

Might Corbyn’s mum have had one?