Monarchy Abolished?

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Other threads have inspired me

Do you think we’ll ever live to see the Royals gone or perhaps our children will?

I can see public support for it to be abolished once the Queens gone. I feel like they’ve had too many chances at this point. The cover up of Andrews vile friendship with the sexual predator Epstein and the awful things Andrew probably did plus the pictures with teenagers has been an outrage. I also really like Harry and Meghan but their hypocrisy is quite embarrassing how they’re banging on about climate change and then jetting off across the globe on private jets. And more and more for all royals.

AIBU to think their time is up soon

What tripe! I for one don’t favour confiscation of privately owned assets by the state.

No. Legal fact

They were never ‘privately owned’ so the confiscation point is totally irrelevant. They were established by Willian the Conquerer for the purpose of funding the running of the state. Army, Parliament, all that stuff.

George III couldn’t make the books balance / couldn’t be arsed actually administrating them and handed control over to parliament in exchange for an allowance to fund the monarchy.

I’m always surprised at how little monarchists appear to know about all this stuff they endorse.

Maybe you do, you must be quivering at the ever increasing threat of Comrade Corbyn’s greasy attempts to subvert our long established democracy in this country.

are you 12?

Sounds like it.

I guess school isn’t back yet.

“What on earth are the Royals doing accepting private jet flights as gifts from celebrities. Surely the whole thing is corrupt and unethical.”
That’s a tricky one. Surely they’re allowed to accept things from personal friends?

Surely they’re allowed to accept things from personal friends?

And they’ve been doing it since private jets were invented.

They’ve been doing it for centuries.

Actually just read that the French REPUBLIC attracts the highest number of tourists in the WORLD !

Yes- it is extraordinary that it comes as a surprise to people that the RF accept holidays from friends. Have they never heard of Mustique?

It does but let’s be real the UK is not France.

I'm just cross, really, that none of my personal friends have got any private jets

Gits.

(Although I did get a swim in next-doors' pool. But afterwards I had to watch the un-edited, 2 hour video of their nephew's wedding.
So it felt like I'd paid).

Funnily enough, I suspect that when I marry into the royal family I'll discover personal friends - who I hadn't spotted before - coming out of my ears.

I'm also grumpy because I was once told it was unethical to accept a Christmas box of chocolates. I'd got quite excited because they were handed to me in a Thornton's bag.

Turned out to some generic brand.

Also had been opened and one was missing!

Bet the queen doesn't have to put up with that.

(Is it worrying that I'm now obsessing over whether I've put the apostrophe in my above post in the right place?

"Thornton's"?
But the shop is called "Thortons". I think.

"Thorntons' "?

Looks odd.

This could be a whole different thread. Sorry.)

Charles/Camilla, William and Kate, George and Charlotte should be the only ones funded once the Queen dies.
Poor Louis. Third child syndrome :)

I don't think they'll be abolished but trimmed down certainly.

I don't see too much difference between the monarchy and the rest of the aristocracy to be honest. The monarchy may have got its money from taxation, but aristocrats have got their money off the back of the labour of serfs and peasants since hundreds of years ago.

They are both leeches who've made money through shafting the proletariat. If RF are abolished they'll just become an aristocratic family doing what aristocratic families do and make money off the serfs again whilst living their gilded lives.

There should now start and be a transition for the RF so that in 50 years time (or less) they will just be private individuals. Start by trimming it all down further so that only those in line to the throne (say up to 4th) get paid for anything. Also remove titles aside from this small number of people. There is no room for Dukes, Earls, Lady this and that anymore. Again, it is reinforcing the class system and inequality. Charles on the throne is a good time to start all this. I don't think he is ever going to have the pull his mum does when it comes to helping Britain Plc.

As for all their private land etc. If they own it then let them take it. Most "old money" don't hang onto it long and slowly but surely it will be sold off bit by bit to pay for the lifestyle they are used to, divorce or debts and the amount of land and other assets they have will be absorbed into the private sector.

Both DH and I are from WC backgrounds and worked our way up a very long ladder, paying our own way and overcoming class prejudice in a place (London) were others, much less able, have got on due to their connections. It is time now for the UK to be an absolute meritocracy on all fronts.

that the Queen is a force for good. She’s good at keeping her mouth shut and her head down for her own self-preservation. While many of her subjects are dependent on food banks or just die because of welfare reforms leaving them with nothing she doesn’t make a peep

How can you blame the Queen for that? It’s our evil Tory Government. The Queen has no power, it’s all symbolic, she can’t even vote.

I don't blame the Queen, but I judge her for her silence. If it was something that bothered her interests you can be sure she'd be interfering.

I also find it ridiculous that our entire political structure shouldn't change because of tourism, insane. Also, the crown states aren't just a bit of land but huge chunks of the coast too. There is no reason that they should be held under the ownership of a monarch.

Oh bless our glorious god-sent queen
So noble, selfless, and serene
For waving to the underpaid
and topping up the tourist trade

Oh bless our glorious god-sent queen
So noble, selfless, and serene
For waving to the underpaid
and topping up the tourist trade

👏

I guess school isn’t back yet.

Pathetic ad hom argument from someone unable to string together a cohesive response. You’re the one who needs to go back to school I’d say!

Pathetic ad hom argument from someone unable to string together a cohesive response

I gave you a comprehensive response to your misunderstanding of the nature and history of the Crown Estate.

Throwing insults around is not an argument.

Oh bless our glorious god-sent queen

Does the queen set levels of pay?

Have you done 1% of the public service she has done over her life whilst being scrutinised constantly? Of course you haven’t.

Throwing insults around is not an argument.

Your ‘argument’ to put it loosely involved the confiscation of private assets which is absolutely contrary to the concept of Liberal Democracy. You then:

1. made a pathetic ad hom attack
2. denigrated me for making an ad hom attack

You’re not very bright I’m afraid

Do I get 1% of her handouts? Of course I don't. And FWIW the queen's staff are notoriously badly paid.

I wonder if it were shown to be a fact that 90% of the population wanted to abolish the Monarchy, would there be any chance that would happen? I think not. So much for democracy.

When the Queen goes I think it will be a slippery slope. Opinion on Charles has always been split and I just don’t think there is the same respect for the younger royals as the Queen commands (locally and globally).

I'm still wondering how having an unelected head of state sitting on vast unearned wealth is supposed to be a shining example of democracy.

Does the queen set levels of pay?

Have you done 1% of the public service she has done over her life whilst being scrutinised constantly? Of course you haven’t.

Lol, this post genuinely made me laugh. Public service, giving a speech every once in a while? Seems like a great job to have all the money they do. I'm sure many people on universal credit would be willing to give it a go!