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Monarchy Abolished?

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malibuloving · 19/08/2019 17:52

Other threads have inspired me Grin

Do you think we’ll ever live to see the Royals gone or perhaps our children will?

I can see public support for it to be abolished once the Queens gone. I feel like they’ve had too many chances at this point. The cover up of Andrews vile friendship with the sexual predator Epstein and the awful things Andrew probably did plus the pictures with teenagers has been an outrage. I also really like Harry and Meghan but their hypocrisy is quite embarrassing how they’re banging on about climate change and then jetting off across the globe on private jets. And more and more for all royals.

AIBU to think their time is up soon

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Pamplemousecat · 21/08/2019 19:04

@Puzzledandpissedoff it’s just that we are paying for SO many of them. They all require, security Clothes , travel, food, building renovations, stationery, events eg weddings, christenings. This would reduce dramatically with just a small number.

Pamplemousecat · 21/08/2019 19:05

*security, clothes not security clothes !!!

Puzzledandpissedoff · 21/08/2019 19:10

I know, Pamplemousecat, and I agree … it's bad enough to be paying out for the obvious, high profile wasters without the costs of the nonentities too

A President's retinue would also have to be kept under reasonable control of course, but at least that might be just a bit more transparent, and more importantly such a person could be replaced should the public wish

Snog · 21/08/2019 19:12

I've had enough of the monarchy, I don't think it holds up with the advent of new media.

I don't like how taxes are spent on the Royals whilst so many uk citizens are struggling on a daily basis.

Gobbolinocat · 21/08/2019 20:04

There's over use of calling out rascim and it's ashame because it dilutes it.

It's fact that we judge people in seconds all the time, interviews, body language, tone of voice, depth, speech, accent... Appearance.

It's hardly a stretch that people form opinions all the bloody time based on nuances, feelings.

Personally I had a feeling tia sharps uncle or so called step dad was a bad un when he was talking about her safe return. I had same feeling with Karen Mathew's.
Something about their mannerisms resonated with something in me and I had a feeling.
We make these judgements all the time and very little is based on fact.
I can totally get why people think it's bloody annoying, the simpering, the way she looks at Harry etc and yes the feeling she's acting.

Personally I don't care, she's had a horrific time since marrying Harry that no one just getting married should be subjected too.
Imagine if she had an aibu, my dad is ruining my wedding! Her awful siblings, clearly jealous and just awful people.
All splashed out over front pages, on Piers Morgan show, how mentally draining then having to face the public and smile.

Some people belive that money can diminish the pain of loosing a parent young, I do not. What Harry went through is beyond awful. And again all in public, people investigate whether his mum was pregnant! So invasive.

I hope both of them are very happy and move out of the spot light and stop preaching for our sake and theirs.

But all of that is nothing Compared to Prince Andrew.

Nothing.

Shortstuff99 · 21/08/2019 20:23

I don't like how taxes are spent on the Royals whilst so many uk citizens are struggling on a daily basis

Good point- let’s stop giving the £80m a year to the royals, and redistribute it, that’s just over £1 per person I’m sure it will make a big difference

serenoa · 21/08/2019 20:28

I actually feel sorry for the royal family in some respects, especially the 'spare' of 'the heir and a spare'. Prince Andrew, once a respected and honoured naval officer, was never qualified for a career; now Prince Harry, also respected for his service in the Army, is forced to make an independent living when he isn't actually qualified for anything either. Both did the obligatory military service but for those not on a permanent commission, which requires a minimum of a good university degree, the future after 38 is in civilian life.

They've been denied the opportunity to make their own choices in their lives. They've been to good schools and left with mediocre qualifications, not enough to get them into university. Prince Charles went to Cambridge because he was the next monarch, not because he was qualified by exam results and interview. Would you vote for him if he were running for election as President? I wouldn't.

Being born into a rich and privileged lifestyle constricted by tradition and so-called protocol, where you have no real choices as to your own future isn't privilege to me, it's a denial of fundamental human rights. We should abolish the monarchy and set these people free to make what they want of their own lives as far as they can.

Hithere12 · 21/08/2019 20:41

Good point- let’s stop giving the £80m a year to the royals, and redistribute it, that’s just over £1 per person I’m sure it will make a big difference

I can think of many more useful things £80million a year could be spent on.

Pamplemousecat · 21/08/2019 20:43

@Shortstuff99 but I clearly wouldn’t work like that. It needs to go to those in need. Not the already affluent. Start with those who are working/ living/ being medically treated/ educated in the worst conditions if at all. It wouldn’t be doled out to upper middles and above.

WeshMaGueule · 21/08/2019 20:43

Good point- let’s stop giving the £80m a year to the royals, and redistribute it, that’s just over £1 per person I’m sure it will make a big difference

Well in that case, can I have a quid off everyone in the country as well then? Won't make a big difference, will it?

StoneofDestiny · 21/08/2019 21:43

If we want a Head of State somebody's got to do it, and while republicans would much prefer an elected President there's no saying it would cost any less

Well, we could control the number of homes they owned at our expense and the number of their extended family we were expected to feed, house, support and secure for life! It would be vastly cheaper.

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StoneofDestiny · 21/08/2019 21:57

They've been denied the opportunity to make their own choices in their lives

Cobblers!
Many ordinary citizens have no choice but to work themselves to the bone just to keep their head above water. They have no choice or limited choice where they live, limited choice where their kids are educated, no choice when they retire, no option but to wait in line for every service they need - NHS being one.
The royals can walk away from their privileges whenever they want - but they won't as the tax funded lives they live would push them to live on their own, very considerable finances. William and Harry are multi millionaires just from their mothers legacy alone. No hardship will follow them if they walk away!
Charles has being serving the longest apprenticeship in the world for a totally unnecessary job, and an apprenticeship that commands the biggest salary known to mankind. Utterly ridiculous.

Hithere12 · 21/08/2019 22:18

I’d be fine with keeping the monarchy if they didn’t cost £80 fucking million a YEAR? Why so much? That figure does not even include security. I’d be fine with £10million and just for the direct heirs (Charles, Kate, William & their 3 kids) and that’s it. They do not need that much money. We should not be paying for every cousin & 15th in line.

SamanthaBrique · 21/08/2019 22:29

I'd get rid of the lot of them tbh. The concept of a monarchy seems ridiculous in this day and age. I don't want a "slimmed down" monarchy - I want no monarchy!

Livingtothefull · 21/08/2019 22:41

I don't want a monarchy either. I want a constitution and an elected head of state.

Shortstuff99 · 21/08/2019 22:55

Well, we could control the number of homes they owned at our expense and the number of their extended family we were expected to feed, house, support and secure for life! It would be vastly cheaper.

I can assure you you’d get surprisingly little say in it. Like none. Even if there was a referendum on removing the royals, you wouldn’t get any veto on the replacements’ cost base.

For those angry Mumsnet republicans out there I’m afraid today’s change of heart by Merkel on Brexit seems to somewhat reduce your best shot of the monarchy being removed, secret ‘weapon’ EE Corbyn friend of Hezbollah.

The comedy posts on here about people saying they wouldn’t donate to a charity with a CEO paid more than £50k show just how naive people's view is about how things work and are done in the real world.

MPs expenses are hardly under control and that’s what a decade or more after that huge scandal. Heads of state are expensive however you cut it.

Hithere12 · 21/08/2019 22:58

I really don’t want a Tory MP as our “President” though. I generally hate them all, they’re all Eton sociopaths. I can’t think of anything worse. That’s the only reason I don’t want them completely gone. I get why people do but I don’t like the alternative.

SamanthaBrique · 21/08/2019 23:02

I'm not an "angry" but it's the concept rather than the cost of the monarchy that I object to. Frothing at the mouth about Meghan or Kate or Harry doesn't do the cause of republicanism any favours.

Shortstuff99 · 21/08/2019 23:03

I generally hate them all, they’re all Eton sociopaths.

A comment that would be cringe even at a 3rd rate ex poly debating club. As prejudiced and ignorant as any idiot ranting in the pub about immigrants taking jobs away.

Hithere12 · 21/08/2019 23:07

A comment that would be cringe even at a 3rd rate ex poly debating club. As prejudiced and ignorant as any idiot ranting in the pub about immigrants taking jobs away

Lol shut up you Tory. Oh no I’m prejudice against the toffs at Eton, I’m such a bigot 😫.

StitchingMoss · 21/08/2019 23:10

Of course an elected state would cost less!!! We have a brilliant example in Ireland - the cost is massively reduced.

This is not rocket science Shock.

Hithere12 · 21/08/2019 23:15

Shortstuff99

I’m sorry but I’m guessing Mummy & Daddy sent you to an expensive school and I’ve hit a nerve? Am I wrong?

Shortstuff99 · 21/08/2019 23:21

I’m sorry but I’m guessing Mummy & Daddy sent you to an expensive school and I’ve hit a nerve? Am I wrong?

No, but plenty of other nerves seem hit on this thread by those who are not equipped with the intellectual ability to argue against an opposing viewpoint without resorting to lazy stereotyping and childish insults.

Shortstuff99 · 21/08/2019 23:24

Lol shut up you Tory

Torys held you back I’m guessing? Go on then let’s hear about how you had a successful business and family life before Cameron and now thanks to ‘The Torys’ you’re squeezed into a small leaking shed in someone’s garden and you’re scraping by on 5p a week and scavenging disused vegetables in the local allotments

Hithere12 · 21/08/2019 23:25

Shortstuff99 Your comment just proved my point. Nice, normal posters don’t talk like you do. Hideous, entitled sociopaths talk like you. We don’t need any more horrendous arrogant brats with rich parents running the country. It’s so depressing.

I wouldn’t want to run into someone like you on a night out let alone have someone like you run the country 🤮