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Monarchy Abolished?

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malibuloving · 19/08/2019 17:52

Other threads have inspired me Grin

Do you think we’ll ever live to see the Royals gone or perhaps our children will?

I can see public support for it to be abolished once the Queens gone. I feel like they’ve had too many chances at this point. The cover up of Andrews vile friendship with the sexual predator Epstein and the awful things Andrew probably did plus the pictures with teenagers has been an outrage. I also really like Harry and Meghan but their hypocrisy is quite embarrassing how they’re banging on about climate change and then jetting off across the globe on private jets. And more and more for all royals.

AIBU to think their time is up soon

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lavenderandthyme · 20/08/2019 22:12

I actually cringe at the tone of playground bullying and bitchiness on this thread. You are grown women. It’s embarrassing . It’s possible to have a debate without behaving like complete bitches.

flyingspaghettimonster · 20/08/2019 22:12

Every family has their villains. I don't understand the animosity towards the royal family. They aren't stealing bread from your babies mouths... they bring a lot of attention to england from orger countries including tourism, they are a huge part of our cultural history. They have so little actual power annd probably don't even lead that wonderful a life... I would go insane having to attend endless events. I hope they won't be abolished, although if Andrew is exposed as a pedophile he needs treating like any other citizen.

Rainbunny · 20/08/2019 22:12

Shortstuff99 - You misunderstand the point I'm making. She is a regular person - a commoner if you will, who is yes both divorced and an actress. The point of the royal family still existing is that they are supposed to be special, elevated above us commoners in their breeding and refinement. MM is perfectly fine but also not of that background, which as I said above proves that there is no point to them, they're just like the Kardashians with posh accents. The lie that they're special and superior is shown for what it is.

StoneofDestiny · 20/08/2019 22:17

they bring a lot of attention to england

Let those in England that want them, pay for them! But I think they are billed as 'the British royal family' - alas

Greenteawhisky · 20/08/2019 22:23

Did you get your tea in a cup and saucer or was it a takeaway cup @BertrandRussell?

StoneofDestiny · 20/08/2019 22:24

but having a regular person, a divorced american actress no less

Think Sophie and Kate were 'regular' (if you mean non aristo).
Charles, Anne and Andrew are Divorced.
Queen's sister was divorced.

Andrew hangs around paedophiles ( and may be .........)
Edward is a failed actor

StoneofDestiny · 20/08/2019 22:27

they are supposed to be special

the con is - their blood is as red as anybody else's, not blue! It's the biggest con going..............how could they be more 'special' because of who gave birth to them?

Shortstuff99 · 20/08/2019 22:42

the con is - their blood is as red as anybody else's, not blue!

They are descendants of world famous historical characters I think it’s that that gives their provenance not the colour of their blood

Leighhalfpennysthigh · 20/08/2019 22:49

They are descendants of world famous historical characters I think it’s that that gives their provenance not the colour of their blood

Bollocks. I'm related to Vlad the Impaler. Can I be queen?

StoneofDestiny · 20/08/2019 22:55

They are descendants of world famous historical characters I think it’s that that gives their provenance not the colour of their blood

Oh yeh - Greek and German historical characters.

Going back further these 'historical characters' were responsible for the suppression of most of our ancestors, suppressing freedom of speech, hangings, beheadings and penalising people for their beliefs - yes, great provenance! We only have a Parliament against the wishes of these 'historical characters'.
You can think it appropriate to bow and scrape at unearned privilege - most thinking people believe in equality of opportunity.

LaurieMarlow · 20/08/2019 22:56

It’s the idea that they’re ‘special’ that’s most laughable.

Look at them. None of them particularly clever, talented, good looking.

I’ll give Anne and Zara being good horsewomen, but beyond that, no.

How you’d find Meghan too ‘regular’ in that company I don’t know.

LaurieMarlow · 20/08/2019 22:58

They are descendants of world famous historical characters I think it’s that that gives their provenance

My friend is the descendent of a relatively renowned British prime minister. No palaces for him though.

Hithere12 · 20/08/2019 23:11

They are descendants of world famous historical characters I think it’s that that gives their provenance not the colour of their blood

Every white British person alive today is related to Richard III, can we all become royals?

Hithere12 · 20/08/2019 23:12

Look at them. None of them particularly clever, talented, good looking

Harry & William were very good looking in their twenties and I think that was part of the reason for their popularity. Not so much now 😫

helacells · 20/08/2019 23:17

Absobloodylutely! Can't wait to see the back of them. I predict that after Charles dies that'll be it, hooray!!!

Mummyshark2019 · 21/08/2019 03:28

YANBU. We don't need them.

snitzelvoncrumb · 21/08/2019 04:44

I think once the queen goes, everyone will drop out of the Commonwealth slowly, then eventually the royal family will still exist, but won't have any power or be given money. I think it depends on how long Charles is king as to how quickly that happens, if it went straight to William I imagine it might buy them more time.

ShippingNews · 21/08/2019 05:05

they bring a lot of attention to england

I'm not convinced that they do. People from elsewhere would come whether the RF was here or not. Tourists come to see the historical castles, palaces etc, they don't come thinking they'll see the RF. If the monarchy was removed, plenty of people would still come to immerse themselves in the history of the place.

I don't personally think the RF will survive after the Queen dies.

ScreamingValenta · 21/08/2019 07:07

They are descendants of world famous historical characters

But if you go back far enough, so are we all:

www.theguardian.com/science/commentisfree/2015/may/24/business-genetic-ancestry-charlemagne-adam-rutherford

LaMarschallin · 21/08/2019 07:49

The whole mystique around the royals is this idea that they are somehow rarer and superior to the rest of us but having a regular person, a divorced american actress no less, marrying in makes a mockery of that and reveals them all to be no better than a posh version of the Kardashians.

Well, yes. I agree in that they're now just a posh soap opera who pronounce "house" as "hice" because living dwellings are plural. But they always have been.

One problem is that posters will now pounce on that and imply that criticising MM (that is who you meant?) is racist. And picking her out may be. I don't know.

I'm not keen on her and I think she's a hypocrite. That's my own personal opinion, and if she was half/bi something blue/green/purple I'd think the same.

Do I think publications like the Daily Mail use the fact that her mother is not white (after reading another thread here I have no idea what the correct term is) to be nasty?

Yes! They're vile racists (imo).

Any road up...

I was brought up as a royalist, as it were, because my mother was quite keen on them.

I heard the story about poor Princess Margaret having to give up the love of her life, Peter Townsend, because he had a divorce. I now know that she could have married him but would have had to give up the HRH status.

And, when it became convenient, she got a divorce herself anyway.

Going back to Henry V111 and probably before ( I'm useless at history) the royals have manipulated things to suit themselves.

A "divorced american" caused the abdication of Edward V111. If he would have accepted a morgantic marriage he could have kept the throne.

His great great nephew (is that right? ) has remained in the line of succession having done the same thing. And, given the Duke of Windsor's friendship with Hitler, he might not have welcomed his great great niece with open arms. So there might be a little bit of racism in the royal family as well as in the Daily Mail. But it only got called out when Harry was worried about his girlfriend.
Presumably he was fine with comments about "slitty eyes" from grandpapa.

My personal opinion is that they jumped the shark and broke the fourth wall (go me using modern terms) with Diana, the late Princess of Wales.
Her use of the media (plus, subsequently, the development of social media) has made us realise that the royal family are there because of a lot of money and various accidents of birth. And are not that special.

The Kardashians and, eg, the Beckhams at least completely pay for themselves.

Admittedly, they haven't got the legal status to sort things out if Brexit goes horribly wrong...

Oh. Apparently it's important to keep the Queen out of politics.

So what are they for?

origamiunicorn · 21/08/2019 08:17

They are descendants of world famous historical characters

The rightful heir to throne is actually living in Australia right now, if the proper bloodline had been followed.

Shortstuff99 · 21/08/2019 08:22

My friend is the descendent of a relatively renowned British prime minister. No palaces for him though.

I’m sure he’s a top bloke but unfortunately there is no established precedent for descendants of prime ministers to be bequeathed palaces.

You’ve maybe misunderstood my point too in that I was saying the royals are interesting due to their heritage. Maybe your friend is too for that reason but the problem with Prime Ministers is that they come and go whilst royals typically maintain their status and pass it down to their descendants.

Precedent and tradition are one of the things that gives a country it’s culture so there is often a will to maintain them as it is a link to our past.

I have to say I am somewhat surprised at the anti royal feeling on here. I hope it’s just the typical left wing bias of this site and not a greater indicator but I guess time will tell.

I’m 39 and suspect the royals will still be in place for my lifetime in fact I would be willing to place a £5 bet on it

LaMarschallin · 21/08/2019 08:53

I'm 39 and suspect the royals will still be in place for my lifetime in fact I would be willing to place a £5 bet on it

Folding money?

Gosh - that's confidence.

Honestly, I suspect you'd keep your money. 39? There's a good while to go yet (I hope! I'm assuming you're in reasonable health).

But given one or two generations down the line...

We've not reached the point of either the Russian or the French revolutions (Good lord! We're British, damn it!). But maybe our great grandchildren may look back at history and class the royal family's posturing on climate change while using private jets along with "Let them eat cake*".

*Actually, did she say "brioche"?
It's by the by anyway.

Alsohuman · 21/08/2019 08:55

@Greenteawhisky, we had cups and saucers so I’m sure Bertrand did too. The loos were the poshest portaloos in the world - Jo Malone handwash and chandeliers.

StoneofDestiny · 21/08/2019 08:58

Precedent and tradition are one of the things that gives a country it’s culture so there is often a will to maintain them as it is a link to our past

Many countries with strong cultural identities have no monarch! Think you will find many such places actually celebrate the day they became republics! (with no drop in tourism).

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