to think that if you say you think climate change is an issue, you don't go on 4 private jet trips in a month

[chomalungma]

Because there are better ways of travelling.

No matter who you are..

I hate the fact that newspapers tear into Meghan yet treat Kate like some kind of saint

You have a very short memory if you think that - Kate has loads of shit from the media in the early years of her relationship with William. You don't remember 'Waity Katie' and all the stories about her mum (former air hostess, who was referred to as 'Doors to manual' by all Williams stuck up chums), or her uncle Gary? Kate has learned to play the media game over the years and she does it very well. She knows what goes down well with the public (using a scheduled airline, recycling her dresses, etc) and she knows what goes down very badly (spending millions doing up her home, private jets, etc). Meghan could learn a lot from watching what Kate does and doing that herself. She's not a celeb any more, she's royalty and it's about time she started acting like it and less like a spoilt TV star.

The papers may have treated Kate badly in the past but they certainly don't now.

Going on about how she is re-wearing a dress like she deserves a medal. I should bloody hope she is re-wearing something that cost hundreds of pounds. I would hope she re-wears it many times over

No, she doesn't deserve a medal, but the point is that she could very easily wear things once, as was done in the past and as is done by the likes of celebs. Kate is going to be queen one day and she knows she needs to be above criticism, if possible. She clearly had a lot of good advisors guiding her and helping her to mould herself into what is expected of the RF. Those same sorts of people are available to Meghan, if only she'd listen to them.

@zafferana - I couldn't say I'd ever heard of either Suits or Meghan Markle before she got engaged to Harry so I'm not sure celebrity is a word I'd associate with MM - more like one of many who are in a half known American drama - of which there are many

Ffs, who gives a shit? We need to compile a list of all the rich people in the world and how they travelled in the last month. Might make Harry and Meghan look a lot less villainous.

And I fucking hate Elton John. Thanks to this debacle, I’m having to read tweets from him and see his ugly pictures everywhere on my twitter feed. 😡😡😡

@flumpybear yes, agreed, me neither! Okay, minor celeb and mostly unknown outside the US and the precise demographic of the little-known show she was on. Better?

I understand why people regard them as hypocrites and it’s definitely poor PR. That said, if my mother had died when I was 10, hounded by the paparazzi, and my wife and baby were being verbally abused online with absolute vitriol due to the tabloids winding the public up into a fury on a daily basis, I’d probably think, “Fuck it. I’ll take the jet” too.

AlbertWinestein - Sure, take the private jets just DON'T lecture the poor public plebs on how to live responsibly regarding our carbon footprints and family size etc. That's what infuriates me about H&M, their sanctimonious preaching whilst enjoying an existence that is the opposite of ethical ecological living!

@Rainbunny, I agree although I don’t think they’re lecturing to the amount it’s being perceived as. That’s the media spin in their all out anti Sussexes campaign. I personally find that far more disturbing than a Royal talking out of their over pampered arse again.

I don't know, I suppose I would if I wanted to go somewhere and flying was quickest and easiest.

It's great that the Royal Family use their platform to highlight important causes. Climate change is one of them.

But they must know that at the moment, anyone who talks about climate change has their every move scrutinised. Look at the hassle Greta Thornberg has got over her trip to New York.

Greta Thunberg is an exploited and vulnerable child. It’s not her who should be getting the scrutiny, it’s her parents.

Can someone link yo things they have sAid about climate change. I didn't know they were preaching about it. That is pure hypocrisy and it's made me like them a little less.

an someone link yo things they have sAid about climate change

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/prince-harry-gives-climate-change-18809860

"Prince Harry was reportedly barefoot when he stressed the importance of tackling climate change at a mysterious Google summit last night - attended by celebs who arrived on more than 100 private planes.

The Duke of Sussex, 34, is said to have showed up at the three-day event to address a 200-strong crowd of A-listers and millionaires in Sicily, Italy."

Jillyhilly where is your evidence that Greta Thunberg is being exploited? Would you rather she was sat in her room playing Fortnite or on Tiktok?

@zafferana - lol I wasn't getting at you 😎 but yeah 😂

@chomalungma - the bloody irony of it all - surely most could have just video conference rather than turning up on a gas guzzling, massive carbon-'arse-print' of a jet ffs... even Harry!

Prince Harry was reportedly barefoot when he stressed the importance of tackling climate change

Absolutely cringe. There was a royal “expert” on LBC today who said Kate, William & Harry would almost always fly commercial. They’d be the last ones to get on the plane, then the first to get off with a car waiting at the bottom. Now his wannabe A lister wife wants the high life.

@Helloitsmemargaret I don’t really care how Greta Thunberg spends her time. However I am absolutely incredulous at the adults around her who would allow a child who has ASD, has been anorexic, has suffered from anxiety and depression and has been mute for periods of time to:

• Panic about the end of the world, and then run around the globe encouraging other children to panic
• Promote her by publishing a book exposing her health conditions to the entire world
• Allow her to be in a position where she is going to be under intense and constant public scrutiny and pressure.
• Allow her to be turned into a kind of heroic Joan of Arc figure .
• Put her on a sailing boat in uncomfortable conditions (reportedly without a toilet) for 2 weeks with no experience of sailing in order to create yet more publicity

I don’t doubt Greta’s passion, intelligence or public speaking ability. But would you do this to your vulnerable child? If not, why not?

In my opinion an increasingly hysterical green movement has latched on to Greta and is exploiting her. The fact that all the adults around her - politicians included - are allowing and encouraging it all is frankly just awful.

But why @Jillyhilly do you not think she's had any say in this? She's 16 not 6. She's not panicking unnecessarily, the science is there - her own future is very very uncertain but she has the opportunity to control and change that. For someone with anxieties would it not be worse to feel helpless - unable to do anything about it?

Would I let my 16 year daughter sail somewhere for a few weeks? You're damn right I would - and I'd be very very proud. In fact if she's like she is now (at primary school age) I very much doubt I could stop her.

GT has repeatedly said she doesn't want to be the face of the protests, she wants it to be about the message. It's the media who obsessively focus on her appearance - as they do with all 16 year olds.

@Helloitsmemargaret

Would I let my 16 year daughter sail somewhere for a few weeks? You're damn right I would - and I'd be very very proud.

That has absolutely nothing to do with what I asked. Greta has significant health concerns including ASD, depression, anxiety, anorexia and selective mutism - all
of which which her mother has seen fit to disclose to the general public (which I think is highly irresponsible). Being in the public eye massively increases the pressure on her. Children in the eye of the media are particularly vulnerable to the strains of work and celebrity status.

I asked if you would allow this to happen to your child if she had the kind of background and vulnerabilities Greta has. If not, why not? And why do the adults around her think that this is good for her - or don’t they care?

Whether or not she is “panicking necessarily” much remains to be seen - I strongly suspect that in 12 years the earth will be absolutely fine - but the point is that the mature (adult) response is to realise that a panicky response is NEVER the way to solve a problem. If a child is panicking, the parent’s response is to reassure that child, to settle them, to calm them down. As a parent,do you tell a frightened panicking child to panic more, and then to go away and frighten other children? No you do not - and it’s a massive abdication of responsibility that the adults around Greta are encouraging her panic and distress.

If Greta truly feels that she doesn’t want to be the face of the movement then her parents could help her to walk away from it. They have a choice. Actually if that’s the case I feel even more sorry for her, because she clearly doesn’t understand the appalling trap that has been set for her. She absolutely is the poster child of the movement at this point and as a result a highly valuable commodity.

She's been panicking about climate change for 8 years, maybe they have tried to calm her down. But now she's 16 they're allowing her to do what she feels she needs to.

This pushy mother trope is tiresome.

Maybe in 12 years the Earth will be 'fine' but it will be hotter and the people living on it will not. The effects of which will range from disastrous to catastrophic with poorer countries bearing the worst. The science really is unequivocal now.

They're stupidly tone-deaf, why don't they have advisors?

No, you cannot be a passionate environmentalist and fly private jets. You might get away with the odd long-haul commercial flight, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out that carbon offset is mostly voodoo magic with no accountability or oversight.

I read a likening to privileges under the Catholic church this morning which seemed to sum it up very nicely, I wonder if there's a Reformation coming this way.

Also why didn’t anyone seem to notice the rather increasingly unattractive Andrew pop on a private jet last week to escape ? All the attention on the Sussex’s...
Anyway they should get normal flights, all of them. They’re not special, just very very rich.

Also why didn’t anyone seem to notice the rather increasingly unattractive Andrew pop on a private jet last week to escape ? All the attention on the Sussex’s...

We must live on different planets because all my news outlets are absolutely teeming with Andrew stories.