to think that if you say you think climate change is an issue, you don't go on 4 private jet trips in a month

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Because there are better ways of travelling.

No matter who you are..

"But why are you assuming this is all down to MM?"

We're not.

She is not specified in the thread title, nor mentioned as an individual until the sentence I just quoted above.

Everyone before that was looking at it in the abstract, or as a decision of the couple.

Surely all flying is bad.
and how many people criticizing have stopped flying due to climate awareness?

edith i should have @ the person who made the post.

@PianoTuner567 made the reference to MM, for clarity

I really don't mind them having private jets, not the first won't be the last. I also unlike seemingly many pp on mumsnet understand the awful impact loosing his dm at such a young age and in a frustrating tragic way must have affected him.
He didn't just loose her but years of inquest, Al fayed, burrel, her personal possessions stolen its been endless.

I wish him and Megan every happiness but they need to stop preaching to us instantly.

Go on the jet but shut up about carbon footprints. All of it only highlights, how privaliged they are. I'm sure Megan and Harry can do much good somewhere in different areas.

Just not this one.

I think the issue is the public messaging versus their actions. They could get away with private jets if they weren’t talking about everyone doing their bit etc for the environment. They can’t really have both. Emma Thompson had the same issue when she looked like a hypocrite. I think that’s been one of the issues with their PR from the start. There are a lot of contradictions.

I was once sat behind Will and Kate on a commercial plane. Noone bothered them and this was when interest in them was probably pretty high as there was loads of speculation that they'd got back together (it was during their 2007 breakup).

I agree you need to practice what you preach otherwise why should anyone give a shit what you say. Air travel is undeniably awful for the environment. I think if they want to continue living the lifestyle they do they need to focus on a specific area of protecting the planet e.g. plastic, recycling, vegetarianism etc. - things they can do. At the end of the day everyone can't do everything but it is a bit galling for someone to lecture about the environment and then so clearly be un-environmentally friendly without acknowledging that hypocrisy. That's the mistake of all the eco elite as far as I can tell (Leo de caprio, Emma Thompson etc.)

The fact that they're now accepting handouts from celebrities, let alone demonstrating gross hypocrisy merely confirms just how removed from reality they and the rest of the Royal family are.
The more I hear about these two the less appealing they sound.
Freeloaders.

Carbon "offsetting" is better than not, but the carbon from the flight has still been released, so I think offsetting is a misleading term. The idea is that you either plant trees to capture carbon, or stop carbon being released elsewhere eg by paying for solar panel projects elsewhere. However it is not possible to plant enough trees to "offset" the global carbon released yearly, as there is not enough land on earth. So substantially reducing carbon emissions is imperative, and carbon offsetting is helpful when this isn't possible.

As a family we pay for carbon capture/ offsetting for more than our yearly emissions, but we also take steps to reduce our carbon output. Our own emissions are well below the average UK citizen, and we keep making changes to reduce that further.

They have choices, more so than most. There are many ways to get to Nice without chartering a private jet, and in the end the trip was a holiday so they could have holidayed closer to home if they couldn't contemplate another form of travel.

Not focusing on the royals really as to be fair they have offset the carbon footprint of this flight and have special security needs and do an awful lot of work for charity but generally speaking it does piss me off that the loudest campaigners against climate change spend their lives on planes.
I haven't been on a plane for 25 years and everytime I've been abroad I've gone on the ferry and my motorbike and that has been rarely,
Why do we need to fly everywhere anyway? There are wonderful holiday destinations in our own country and it helps the local economy.

Well, if I had a 4 month old baby and a short flight to do, where I knew everyone would be whispering, staring, waving bloody phones trying to film me, watching, analysing and potentially criticising my every interaction with my husband, child and staff, I’d take a private jet if offered one.
I agree it’s hypocritical but maybe she’s tired, wanted a holiday and just took the easy option.

But you can't "take the easy option" yourself and then lecture everybody else about their responsibility to look after the planet. That's what people have a problem with. No one would give a shit about them flying by private jet if weren't banging on about climate change all the time.

If they used Ryan Air how many people would be selling stories and trying to take photos of them? Everything involving their baby would be splashed across the press the next day. What if MM wanted bf on take off/landing....they have to hope people wouldn't take photos and harass them? It's the save as when the rest of us travel as no-one would give two hoots if our DC we're crying or being breast fed. Let alone try to take photos and turn it into international news.

Utterly disingenuous for people to suggest they're being unreasonable by not taking a charter flight with a tiny baby.

Also, offsetting carbon footprints is a thing. It has actual value. The fact that no one on here seems to know much about it just means no one has offset their own holidays this year or any other. Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it isn't valid.

This thread will be taken down because Harry and Meghan are protected by Mumsnet and Rich Pop stars who make donations on their behalf for using private jets. Sick of the lot of them.

It just smacks of hypocrisy to me. By all means preach about climate change etc but don't then go on a private jet.

By all means, go on a private jet but don't then preach to the minions about climate change. You can't have it both ways without expecting to get some flack.

I'd naively never heard of carbon offsetting until I read Elton John's words yesterday but I was pretty open mouthed by it tbh. So you can do what the hell you like as long as you can afford to throw a shit-load of money at it?! That just seems like madness to me

@SaraNade or please, just like William, Kate and their kids, so 2 Future Kings flew Commercial Airliner with us plebis, but Harry and Meghan can't?

"Do we really need four separate threads on “hypocrite” Meghan flying to France, when William and Kate private jet all over the world constantly (and lecture about climate change just as much as Harry), and Charles is twice as bad as both of them put together, without a single peep?"

I hadn't seen three other threads and thus one only has a very few posts singling out individuals.

There shouid be more posts criticising curies which wreck the planet, not fewer. So yes, when there are further examples of high profile hypocrisy, I'll happily join in. But of course not every profligate person is also speechifying about environmental protection.

They shouldn't be using their unelected, privileged positions to preach to the largely already converted.

Those in the UK that have huge families and are ignorant of climate change do not watch the news or care for polititical and environmental affairs.

They can’t go on a bloody Ryanair flight. Imagine the security faff!

A listers like Brad Pitt & other movie stars are able to fly first class just fine. Why are H&M more at risk of being mobbed than them? They’d even have security detail on the flight which other celebs don’t.

I think the issue is the public messaging versus their actions. They could get away with private jets if they weren’t talking about everyone doing their bit etc for the environment. They can’t really have both.

This sums the whole thing up perfectly. It really is the Royal Family equivalent of “get woke, go broke”. Whoever you are, the media hounds will always be waiting to sniff out hypocrisy, and the baying mob will follow.

The hilarious thing is that if they hadn’t done the ridiculous virtue-signalling in the first place, they wouldn’t be in this mess now. Just get on with your lives and stop making political statements and you’ll be able to fly in all the private jets you want.

The entire global aviation contribution to climate change is 2%. That’s all air travel not just passenger jets.
The whole oh don’t fly thing is over hyped.
I’d be more worried about the 24% contribution- electricity use. That’s why I’m on the green tariff.

Leo di capprio preaches endlessly about the environment, yet flies everywhere and is regularly seen a big fuel guzzling yaghts. No one ever pulls him up on it

Do we really need four separate threads on “hypocrite” Meghan flying to France, when William and Kate private jet all over the world constantly (and lecture about climate change just as much as Harry), and Charles is twice as bad as both of them put together, without a single peep?

Climate change is a much more hot topic than it was even a year ago. It’s in the media constantly now, I see it on a daily basis. Years ago I’d be lucky if once a month I’d see it mentioned.

Yes Charles & Harry have talked about climate change but Harry has done speeches, interviews in a short period of time when showing he doesn’t really care, or he does care but thinks only the plebs should be the ones who make sacrifices.

I don’t think there’s is any hypocrisy in the Sussex family.
They’ve said “do your bit for the environment”
That message means do what you can, try where you can.
It does not mean you need to eliminate your entire carbon footprint in every way feasible until the day you die or you are a hypocrite.

Leo di capprio preaches endlessly about the environment, yet flies everywhere and is regularly seen a big fuel guzzling yaghts. No one ever pulls him up on it

They absolutely do. It’s the first thing people bring up, what a hypocrite he is.