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The knives are out for the royal family

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justasking111 · 19/08/2019 14:26

It may be deserved in some cases, however it would seem the gloves are off as far as the media are concerned. They have lived high on the hog for centuries so what is new?

Am scratching my head here is it shoot the royal family season or a smoke and mirrors exercise designed to distract us from something more important??

I would hate to be in the PR business with the RF just now.

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dayswithaY · 28/08/2019 19:30

Did no one explain the rules to Meghan before she got married into the Firm? That you absolutely cannot answer your critics, defend yourself or be political. I am amazed she didn't do her homework and find that out for herself.

Cerseirys · 28/08/2019 19:54

Couldn't care less about what Meghan Sussex does, she is by far one of the least worst members of the royal family.

Andrew with his allegedly criminal activities is the one we should be talking about. And the fucking Queen for agreeing to the PM's demands. A country on its knees and people are bitching about editing Vogue and documentaries with Oprah 🙄

ssd · 28/08/2019 20:08

Maybe bitching about vogue and Oprah stops us putting our heads in the oven...

TheBigBallOfOil · 28/08/2019 20:11

I am not sure the queen could do nothing else. Like it or not he’s the PM.
We should be very very cautious about encouraging anyone with the Windsor genetic inheritance to go on a frolic of her own. They have many fine qualities I’m sure but they ain’t the smartest.

hoteltango · 28/08/2019 20:26

I’ve just finished Jephson’s book about Diana. This is a small part of his introduction to the 2017 edition:

Remembering Diana gladly is more than just legitimate and timely: it’s also required therapy for the future health of the monarchy, as the focus of national unity and symbol of the best British values. It’s not just about the need to learn from the past to avoid future mistakes, though that neglected skill should be second nature to royal advisers. It’s a principle even more fundamental to the long-term purpose and viability of the ancient royal experiment. It can be summed up in one word – a word traditionally synonymous with the British Crown, exemplified by Elizabeth II’s lifetime of service. The word is decency. Yet in some corners of the royal establishment, two decades of spin doctors and a naive fondness for the slippery arts of news management have put the word and the idea at risk.

I did get the strong impression that the various departments/Households don’t work together very much, as though they’re separate franchises operating under the banner of one brand. But I think he’s wrong to attribute the lapses of “decency” to anyone other than the individual royals themselves. Diana was an increasingly difficult boss to work for, and I can imagine that many of the others were/are similarly difficult. Ultimately, each Household works for one person who is the centre of their particular domain. And some of those persons might think it’s all about them rather than the happenstance of their holding that particular title.

derxa · 28/08/2019 20:47

On Loose Women today Jane Moore the journalist recalled how much fun Diana was. Also recalled hard bitten journalists crying when she died. I miss her. There is no one like her in public life now. Jane recalled how they went to a leper colony where Diana was to appear.
That wasn't meaningless hot air that was compassion in action.

Raynedance · 28/08/2019 21:20

Arf big boil 😂.

lavenderandthyme · 28/08/2019 21:25

She was a complex and troubled character but she had so much charisma and was so beautiful. It was also so refreshing to see someone who behaved in a human way with human feelings.

queenofarles · 28/08/2019 21:26

An Indian Dr once told me, that Diana visiting , touching , chatting with some of the poorest people , to them is some sort of Blessing, they are at the bottom of the pyramid, worthless , and for her not only just a foreigner but a princess to do that must have meant a lot to them.

Her footage walking through the land mines in Angola is still very moving.
I hope Harry doesn’t try to recreate it during their upcoming African tour.

ssd · 28/08/2019 21:31

Diana was pretty special. I'm not sure anyone else has lived up to her yet.

Winterlife · 28/08/2019 21:32

And the fucking Queen for agreeing to the PM's demands.

What would you expect her to do? Can you imagine if she told an elected PM "No." because she disagrees with Brexit?

hoteltango · 28/08/2019 22:16

Diana's childhood did leave her with a lot of emotional baggage, unsurprisingly. But she could relate to others who needed a bit of compassion and a hug. She didn't get that from the family she married into. Indeed, it seems that to be royal means showing little emotion in public. It was noted at the time that the only time the Queen showed emotion was at the decommissioning of the Royal Yacht.

The RF could have learned a lot from Diana; as she could have from them. But there seems to have been little attempt to integrate her. Instead, it quickly became a them -v- her situation.

It does seem to me that RF have rules for their public life, but what they do in private is nothing to do with us. That might be a useful tactic from the psychological point of view, but it has led to some individuals thinking they can do what they want in private without being called to account.

Raynedance · 28/08/2019 22:20

I've just seen Roberts lawyer speak very plainly and in a powerful way, that pa needs to come clean.

TheBigBallOfOil · 28/08/2019 22:47

They are really gunning for him. He just looks so bad. It looks so much like he can’t open his mouth because whatever he says is going to be either incriminating or easily shown to be a lie.
If he’s not guilty of wrongdoing he’s doing a bang up job of impersonating someone who is

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justasking111 · 28/08/2019 23:04

#Abolishthemonarchy is trending on twitter at 1.

A combination of Epstein and Johnson perhaps??

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StoneofDestiny · 29/08/2019 00:05

And the fucking Queen for agreeing to the PM's demands

She has no choice, that just underscores how pointless the monarchy is.

lavenderandthyme · 29/08/2019 07:21

Yes indeed

Notmyrealname855 · 29/08/2019 08:05

Oh totally agree that the PA issue is way more important compared to H&M, not really comparable at all. It’s just so frustrating to see that one set of royals who seemed so so promising and interesting are just messing it up. I don’t know anyone who really supports them now, and we held a big party when they got married - friends’ party and then a neighbourhood one. Yes that includes getting more representation in the royals (though I’m not actually a royalist!), but I know a significant BAME society that has twice stopped internal discussions of requesting H&M to attend their events (maybe they’d not have been able to attend anyway), they don’t want that association now. For me it’s just fatigue with constant and aggressive PR...and then their actions are cringe or hypocritical. Like throw us a bone.

But people then assume I must worship W&K, but I think they’ve previously been work shy and only amped up when H&M showed up.

So on one hand we don’t have enough good news coming out of the younger royals... then there’s the very serious allegations about the older royals.

Accusations too about Lord Mountbatten and involvement with the Kincora Boys Home in Belfast scandal. I know someone in the area and there are lots of allegations, lots. I wonder if the RF are willing to sacrifice Mountbatten to save PA.

As pps have said, PA seems to have pissed off a lot of people anyway. I know several who’ve come across him (repeatedly, not public engagements) who can’t stand him. He’s squandered his opportunities, never mind the awful allegations against him. He doesn’t seem to get the severity of it all - how flimsy and farcical for a “friend” to say his hand was photoshopped. Are. You. Joking. Talk about barrel scraping, and that doesn’t sound like the talk of an innocent man. What about all the photos of him with Epstein in NY, after Epstein had been convicted?

Curly that’s an interesting theory!

noodlenosefraggle · 29/08/2019 08:54

She has no choice, that just underscores how pointless the monarchy is.
I suspect this is the root of all their problems. They could be a wealthy family, keeping up their estate, maybe doing some work that they enjoy, organic farming or whatever, instead they have little purpose. She's the Head of State and has spent 60+ years listening to Prime Ministers waffling on, not being able to say or do anything about whatever they are saying. Charles, Andrew, Wills, Harry and their wives seem spoilt and bored. Especially if they have to stage pointless publicity stunts to get one over on each other.

user2345 · 29/08/2019 09:01

She has no choice, that just underscores how pointless the monarchy is.

The point of the monarchy is so that the likes of BJ cannot exert the sort of powers over government that a president can.

So this was a real opportunity for the Queen to act in the interest of the country and she has ballsed up big time.

ssd · 29/08/2019 09:04

Like the RF would take a stand against the tories, they probably all know each other from school.

This thread title is misleading, no knives are out, the country is just waking up to the reality of the royal family. Thank god for social media.

Cerseirys · 29/08/2019 09:11

Yes that's what I meant @user2345. If she's supposed to act as a check and doesn't, then what's the point of having a monarchy? I appreciate she can't meddle in politics too much but I'd make an exception for the upcoming disaster that is a no-deal Brexit!

noodlenosefraggle · 29/08/2019 09:11

Yes. Everyone is assuming that The RF are against Brexit. They may be worried about the Union and how that impacts on them, as well as demonstrating how pointless the institution is , but I bet they don't much care apart from that.

Cerseirys · 29/08/2019 09:13

Aye, they probably don't care as it'll hardly impact them much in their ivory towers

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