The knives are out for the royal family

[justasking111]

It may be deserved in some cases, however it would seem the gloves are off as far as the media are concerned. They have lived high on the hog for centuries so what is new?

Am scratching my head here is it shoot the royal family season or a smoke and mirrors exercise designed to distract us from something more important??

I would hate to be in the PR business with the RF just now.

Yep, like someone on here posted, 'if you were surprised that Epstein took his own life, imagine how surprised he must have been'

Harry and Megan's unsolicited advice I can ignore, the Andrew and mountbatten stuff I can't. And I suspect the Andrew stuff pales into significance with the real truth about mountbatten. That's been hidden away for a loooong time.

I also think Elton has made it worse - his comments really show the huge disconnect between the super rich and powerful 'elite' of society and the every day working person.

It gives the impression the super rich can do whatever they want as long as they can pay to 'make it better'. Like that Maxwell lady making a donation to the hospital where the Epstein rape victim was treated.

It is also distasteful that the royals are taking significant freebies from A list celebs. Like they are all part of some exclusive cub which has its own set of rules. When will Sir Elton next show up at some prestigious royal event as a guest of honour? In each other's pockets.

The stories about Lord M have been swirling around the darker reaches of the web for several years now but this is the first time I've seen them covered by the mainstream press. Makes you wonder about his relationship with certain members of the royal family too.

Harry is like an over grown rich gap year kid wearing friendship bracelets, trying to be woke, worthy and lefty, whilst being a massive bloody hypocrite and an appalling example. It’s just embarrassing

Yes to ALL of this he is just become irritating has he always been that annoying ?

The knives are always going to be out for the royal family now. The days of unquestioning loyalty and devotion from the British public are long gone. They really should be scaled down now, just support some charities (and turn up for them, Meghan), and turn up for things like Trooping the colour, but apart from that keep a low profile.

Hang on big choc frenzy, leavers have already been told by pp that they are royalists and support gas guzzling peado supporters to boot, but now they don't support the royals.

If you are referring to what I posted, then you don't get it.

For a start there are huge numbers of republicans in the left.

The culture war suits both the Tories Hard Right and the Labour Hard Left. It gives them both more power at the expense of the public.

The Royal Family are a useful tool in their agenda for different reasons. They are a lightning rod for political instability and a target for civil unhappiness - to deflect from those making decisions or flapping in the ideological wind (this applies very much both leavers and remainers).

The way the Johnson is trying to lead the narrative of the people v parliament in the run up to the next election is very much part of that and is particularly noticeable - no 10 has actually been in talks with the Palace because the Queen has been so concerned about the noises coming out of Downing Street about the constitutional role of the Queen if there is a Vote of No Confidence in Johnson and he refuses to resign. This isn't reflective of leavers. This is reflective of Johnson's leadership and absolute desire for power.

It's important to note the difference between those who lead and the rest of us. Those who lead are manipulating the situation for their own benefit.

Having said all that I'm not a huge fan of the Royal myself and I do think they were always going to struggle when the succession arrived. The fact its coinciding with a period of political instability makes it a lot more noticeable and it will be exploited.

Andrew is a liability which the Palace fucked up on several years ago, by trying to bury it, rather than tackle it. Their protection of Andrew reads as a cover up, regardless of whether its true or not. If it does turn out to be true, he may well have signed the Republicanism Act.

I don't think Harry and Megan have been particularly well advised either. He's very much doing what Beatrice and Eugene did some years ago. I think he's somewhat lost and seeking a purpose in the Royals in order to stay relevant. But he also likes the celebrity side of it all, a little too much and hasn't got the balance quite right. Megan only added to that effect - she wasn't the cause as Harry was on the course. She of course is a nice little dog whistle too though. And his image is far too political which again makes him easy fodder for republicans who want to see the end of the Monarchy.

The Royal Family is surrounded by opposition in a hostile and unstable political environment. It was obvious some years ago that this way going to be an increasing problem - even without Andrew and the Harry/Megan stuff. If it wasn't them, there would be shots being taken squarely at Charles or William/Kate (the rumours of William having an affair anyone).

Andrew and Harry have conveniently taken the heat off the direct succession. That might yet be a blessing for the Royals and new found love of them as 'trade ambassadors' of the UK might well come around again as a result. Because controlling the Royal Family is important to politicians... They serve a purpose politically, which is deeply complex - the Royal are great propaganda both domestically and abroad. And they have always been used as a great distraction from very serious issues the newspapers want to down play for their own political agendas. (Remembering the percentage of the British press which is right leaning is significantly higher than the amount of left leaning press).

That's why Brexit DOES come into all this though. Through the actions of Johnson mentioned above and through Farage opening his mouth the other week. Its unavoidable because it is literally dominating everything and is a symptom (not a cause) of the wider political culture war which is polarising society. But its also not restricted to the leave side. Harry is a darling of the other side too in many ways because he's making the right noises and right causes. And republican sentiment is very much part of the Corbynist mentality of the many not the few.

shrugs

She is criticised for her fakeness, her pushy demeanour, her hypocrisy, she is clearly in this for what she can get

You know her personally then?

I do find this much trotted out response rather trite and silly. The whole entertainment industry is built on people feeling drawn to people they have never met, based on information fed to them.

Of course it's possible to form a view based on information from various sources, some of them very reliable.

Oh please, these sources are usually the likes of the Daily Mail or the Sun. Hardly reliable.

Wow, go to bed and wake up to a Megix convention! Admittedly I only got as far as IbizaMegix from ‘up north’ moaning about Harry turning up to the hospital opening and not Meghan (maternity leave anyone?) and people moaning about it/her...if you think so little of Meghan... WHY DO YOU WANT HER THERE? Can’t be bother to read any more of this pro-bullying bollocks.
By the way...how much money did the Cambridge’s regatta raise for charity...any one? Or how about which charities were represented?...anyone? How about how much their recent holiday with private flights to Mystic (sp?) was? Or what happened with Kate’s garden? (We know what happened with rose!) how’s the petition to have H&M no longer represent Sussex? (Yup you couldn’t make it up!) all you toxic Meghan haters rely on the bile spewed by the bias poison press and repeat speculation about someone you don’t know.
The charities that are supported and continue to benefit from the Sussex’s/Meghan’s involvement should be proof enough of their positive influence (Invictus, Sentibale, Together Cookbook for Grenfell and The Hubb, Tiny Tickers, Smart Works) and she’s only been married to Harry (a royal) for just over a year!
I now realise that Mumsnet is a hot bed of Megix trolls spreading their poison on yet another dubious platform...I wonder what the sponsors think?

I’m honestly happy this has made global news. I want celebs to be publicly shamed for private jet use. It’s absolutely disgraceful and completely unnecessary. Hopefully this trickles down to other celebrities realising that they are being massive hypocrites using them then complaining about climate change.

how about an epetition?

Should Harry and Megan be publicly funded, given their behaviour?

Should we have a referendum on whether to keep the royal family, once the queen dies?

Maybe a stripped down version of the RF?

Should Andy be put on trial in the US and stripped of royal privileges?

petition.parliament.uk/petitions?state=with_response

WTF is Megix meant to mean? You sound demented!

I think the Palace are planting posts here about Megix (WTF?) and other such trivial bollocks so we stop talking about Andrew.

I think she meant Megxit, otherwise known as a bunch of nutjobs on Twitter and Tumblr who are obsessed with Meghan being the worst thing to ever happen to the royal family. Up there with the Cumberbitches when it comes to crazy.

WTF does Megix mean? Is it a typo? I presume you are talking about Megan, but I’m a bit lost with the rest of your post as it just came off a bit unhinged tbh.

I now realise that Mumsnet is a hot bed of Megix trolls spreading their poison on yet another dubious platform...I wonder what the sponsors think?

So MN is the dubious platform and the posters who disagree with M&H's jet use are trolls? And you want to get the "sponsors" whatever those might be, involved?

Ok.....

I really don't understand what it is about the D&DoS that gets people so worked up, either pro or con. To hear the name calling, the term "haters" bandied about, and accusations of racism is really shocking. I would be happy to hear nothing more about them, they seem to be as decisive a subject as Brexit.

now realise that Mumsnet is a hot bed of Megix trolls spreading their poison on yet another dubious platform...I wonder what the sponsors think?

We are shitting on all the royals on this thread (although QE still seems to command a lot of respect). H&M sure shouldn’t feel singled out by any means ..... however their private plane flights do particular annoy me in this political climate, as does Leo DiCaprio flying private to pick up some eco award, Emma Thompson flying in from America to join a climate protest .... it goes on.

Austerity for thee, not for me.

I think the Palace are planting posts here about Megix (WTF?) and other such trivial bollocks so we stop talking about Andrew

It would be a smart tactic, that’s for sure. Threads about him get regularly pulled, I do wonder what is up with it

accusations of racism is really shocking

Yes, it's the accusations that are shocking . I'm not saying all criticism of Meghan is racist but there is a good proportion that is. The vitriol for her on some MN threads is only matched by the vitriol I've seen for say, Serena Williams or Diane Abbott. None of them are perfect but every small action of theirs is magnified and twisted to put the most negative spin on it.

however their private plane flights do particular annoy me in this political climate, as does Leo DiCaprio flying private to pick up some eco award, Emma Thompson flying in from America to join a climate protest .... it goes on.

Ah, thanks, just realised that Fromage and the right wing press are not just using racist dog whistling it is climate denial dog whistling as well......

The criticism is being equally distributed upon those RF members who are earning it. MM being one of them.

To accuse those posters who dare criticise MM of 'racism', smacks of being a bit racist in itself.

If you think MM should be beyond reproach because she has mixed heritage, that means you see her differently from the rest of the RF.
If MM acts in a way that shows her to be an out-of-touch hypocrite, then people will comment on it.

I thought the same of PW when he lectured on society needing to reduce the amount of children they were having "to reduce overpopulation"...while KM was pregnant with their third child in 4 yrs.

Ah, thanks, just realised that Fromage and the right wing press are not just using racist dog whistling it is climate denial dog whistling as well

It is entirely fair to point out their hypocrisy. PPs have noted other celebs like Brad Pitt that go first class on commercial flights, really, it’s not a lot to ask — especially if you actually do care about the environment.

It’s kind of like Catholic priests crowing about the sanctity of marriage and then go rape little boys. There’s a credibility gap.

Speaking of pedophilia, Prince Andrew needs to be stripped of his status and entitlements. I hope the press keeps up their coverage—there’s no way he didn’t know what Epstein was.

God Ellen's tweet is so cringey. I thought comedians were supposed to challenge the 'establishment' not suck up to them. Seems like their American PR woman has been on the phone, this stage managed nonsense won't fly with most of the public though, it's so ridiculously transparent.