UK lost measles free status

[Stressedout10]

So due to all the anti Vaxers the WHO have stripped us of our measles free status.
What next ?

herculepoirot2

Your decisions put my children at risk.

I am completely hardline on this I'm afraid. If you won't vaccinate your children when there is no medical reason not to, I think they should be taken into care. You are not a fit parent.

My cousin died at the age of three twenty five years ago from measles.

One large contribution that made me consider all vaccine options was due to my child being quite ill just before the vaccines were due.

Nurses were happy to vaccinate but it didn’t seem right as he was in and out of hospital and the more I researched about the safety of vaccines being done when not well the more I stumbled across a rabbit warren full of scary information.

I ended up delaying them until he was in good health

WhatNoNotYouAgain

My child has been vaccinated. But I am equally hardline on this. Nobody has the right to force medical treatment in my children.

As the mother of a child on the autistic spectrum (high-functioning) I've always found it insulting and prejudiced that people were prepared to risk their children getting life-threatening infectious diseases in the mistaken belief that they would then be less likely to turn out like my daughter. So does she. She had the MMR not long before Wakefield's poisonous nonsense came out. With hindsight the signs that she was on the spectrum were there from babyhood onwards.

Nobody has the right to force medical treatment in my children.

Do you also agree with jehovah's witnesses who won't allow their children with cancer to have blood transfusions?

The point of mass vaccination is herd immunity. If the disease is in the population some of those who are vaccinated will contract the disease as their individual immunity might not be complete.

Saying one immunised person caught the disease therefore imms are ineffective is nonsense.

Correlation is not causation.

Despite that decision I felt quite annoyed at them constantly pushing for me to vaccinate when I didn’t feel it was right for my son and some letters that came through the door were quite scary.
The more they insisted and pushed the more it made me feel uneasy about the whole thing.

I think if they stopped putting so much pressure and let parents decide they would feel more comfortable and confident of their decisions rather than making people consider their options

I've always found it insulting and prejudiced that people were prepared to risk their children getting life-threatening infectious diseases in the mistaken belief that they would then be less likely to turn out like my daughter

Yes, 100 per cent. Basically saying they would rather have a dead child than an autistic one.

Nobody has the right to force medical treatment in my children

Actually that isn’t true. Medical professionals can, and have, take action to ensure children receive treatment if they don’t believe the parents are acting in their best interest. As far as I know this hasn’t happened with regards vaccines but it is entirely possible that it could with the right background to trigger action.

Of course it's fair to put it on those who choose not to vaccinate their children because they believe that it is in their best interests. Because they are implicated.

They are the kind of people who want to put other people at risk, but not their precious flowers, of any purported risk from the vaccine, because they think OTHERS should provide the herd immunity for their children. And they don't care that that puts people who are immuno-compromised at serious risk from the illnesses the vaccines protect from.

So what are you going to do about millions of tourists/immigrants etc coming to UK? I Am not sure if banning unvaccinated children from schools is the way to go. Some religious communities will stop sending them to school, while unvaccinated tourists and immigrants will still bring measles to the country.

“Well yes to be honest if you are expecting to be entitled to the perks of state funded facilities then you need to be willing to be a member of society and do yiur civic duty to others and be vaccinated.”

Absolutely agree. Not vaccinating your children puts other children at risk - vulnerable tiny babies and children who are medically unable to have the vaccine. It’s an utterly selfish thing to do.

My step fathers older sister died from measles when she was a teenager. This is something that we now have a vaccine to prevent, there is no need for anyone to die of measles now.

My 3 year old and 1 year old who are up to date with vaccinations, caught measles themselves.

So how did being vaccinated protect them against measles? I feel this is one of the huge issues- it is said “if they get vaccinated and then get measles it will be far milder” but that is unprovable isn’t it? You cannot show what you might have been like had you not had the vaccine... and if in getting the vaccine and associated existing risk of side effects (not talking autism here but the actually known side effects which can be unpleasant and in some circumstances long term) your child THEN gets the bloody disease anyway... what was the point?
If it conferred immunity then I could see it but as it doesn’t, I can also see why people don’t want to make a choice to have their child at risk of side effects knowingly rather than take their chances with the risk of the disease which they then may or may not get anyway. FWIW I am not anti vaccine at all, but I am worried by the vast amount of injections babies are expected to get and I wouldn’t choose to have them all for my baby should I have one at this point.

Do you also agree with jehovah's witnesses who won't allow their children with cancer to have blood transfusions?

No. Those treatments are necessary, life-saving interventions for that child. A parent refusing them is condemning that child to death, so the State has to step in. That doesn’t apply to preventative treatments.

In my group of friends who have children I would say there are 60% who are vaccinated and 40% are dead against it.

It’s obviously only a small sample but if that’s happening across the country then I’m not surprised that measles will come back

@Peregrina but it does massively increase uptake. Look at what happened in Victoria (Australia).

Actually that isn’t true. Medical professionals can, and have, take action to ensure children receive treatment if they don’t believe the parents are acting in their best interest. As far as I know this hasn’t happened with regards vaccines but it is entirely possible that it could with the right background to trigger action.

But that is in cases where the child is ill and not being given treatment that they need. Nobody needs ‘treatment’ for measles until they have measles. It is unethical to make preventative treatments mandatory.

Look at thalidomide

? But that wasn’t a universal programme, it wasn’t in any way enforced or recommended as routine protocol as part of normal pregnancy for everyone like, say, folic acid or iron supplements. It was an anti nausea medication prescribed for some women to control morning sickness . Most women did not use it.

It had dreadful consequences for the children because of side effects and I would never want to diminish that but it wasn’t a parallel situation to a universal health programme.

I also don’t understand why unvaccinated child puts another child at risk.

I have friends who have been shunned by their pro vax friends because they think their unvaccinated child could spread something.
I don’t know how idiotic they have to be to not realise that’s impossible and if their vaccinated child does catch something it would be their own vaccine that has failed.

A child without a disease does not spread disease

If single vaccines had been made available it would have led to many more parents believing that there was something to be worried about

That, and the fact that not even Wakefield’s flawed study said singles were a solution to the “problem”. That little nugget came from a contributor to the story, one of the “experts” the media hired, who just happened to have a link to the company who provide single vaccines.

There were other cases of vaccine injuries relating to the MMR that scared me more and must scare a lot of people so I went down the single route too

Nothing proven, only cases settled out of court.

But if, next year, they brought in a law that said she had to have a new vaccination or forfeit her right to an education, I would fight that in court.

Ahh, another thread where @herculepoirot2 and her kid are more important than anyone else and their “rights” and feeling must always come first. God forbid either of them come second for the greater good.

JellyfishAndShells

That is completely irrelevant. The State provided treatment to women, and that treatment turned out not to be safe. If the treatment had been mandatory, the State would have been even more culpable than they were. People must have the right to decline treatment.

DS1 was prone to febrile convulsions so the GP recommended separate jabs for mumps and measles. He's a boy so rubella was not a problem for him.

By the time DS2 came along it was practically impossible to get them separately but we were able to get them by paying.

Now you can't even do that. They need to separate the jabs again and I think there will be a better take up.

Talking to young mothers they are concerned about all 3 being bundled together.

Ahh, another thread where @herculepoirot2 and her kid are more important than anyone else and their “rights” and feeling must always come first. God forbid either of them come second for the greater good.

My child is the most important thing in the world to me. I won’t put her safety second to that of your children, and I don’t believe it is reasonable for anyone to expect me to.

That said, she is vaccinated.

@Isadora2007 cases in immunised people are milder across the board than average, it’s reasonable to make a causal link. Scientists wouldn’t otherwise would they? There is also secondary protection offered by herd immunity. If a 95% vaccination rate is achieved this is enough (even accounting for failure) to prevent the disease from spreading. If vaccination uptake is high enough those who do not e hit full immunity are still protected.

If the anitvax kids end up catching it then let that rest on the conscious of their parents who decided this. Sometimes a good dose of I told you so is the only medicine people take.