UK lost measles free status

[Stressedout10]

So due to all the anti Vaxers the WHO have stripped us of our measles free status.
What next ?

So I both am and am not a Nazi. Nice.

bellinisurge

Your views are your responsibility. If others disapprove of them, that is their prerogative. I didn’t say you were a Nazi, but obviously your views hold some common ground with some of the views attributed to Nazism, because you believe in forcing some people to accept healthcare interventions for the good of other people.

Don't rise to it. We need to combat the misinformation out there so informed vaccination can increase. Hypothetical wrangling just reinforces ignorance of entrenched positions.

That to bellini

I can’t remember the correct phrase but I’m thinking of that saying about how when you start drawing parallels with hitler/ nazism to back up your point it’s proof you’ve lost the argument

I can’t remember the correct phrase but I’m thinking of that saying about how when you start drawing parallels with hitler/ nazism to back up your point it’s proof you’ve lost the argument

It’s Godwin’s Law. But I didn’t bring it up.

Godwin 's Law

Hercule, you seem to somehow defend the antivax people even though your children are vaccinated. I guess you are feeling very strongly about the choices as a parent (and to some extent I understand you, even if I think you are wrong in this).

Leaving aside the (deadly) risk to immunocompromised people for a second.

The anti vax people will have a smaller risk of getting measles due to so many other do vaccinate. Would you agree with special schools for non immunised children? Even though the risk of getting measles probably would increase exponentially in those schools?

As a discussion on the Internet grows longer, the likelihood of a comparison of a person's being compared to Hitler or another Nazi reference, increases.".

And it doesn’t say anything about losing the argument.

The anti vax people will have a smaller risk of getting measles due to so many other do vaccinate. Would you agree with special schools for non immunised children? Even though the risk of getting measles probably would increase exponentially in those schools?

That’s a good question. I’m not sure. I’ll give it some thought.

The anti vax people will have a smaller risk of getting measles due to so many other do vaccinate. Would you agree with special schools for non immunised children? Even though the risk of getting measles probably would increase exponentially in those schools?

No. I don’t think people should be forced to accept educational disadvantage for exercising their rights.

Here's another hypothetical - how about if schools could each decide whether vaccination status was one of their selection criteria? If we can have 'faith', why not? As with faith, children with special needs could be prioritised. But that would allow parents some choice about the 'herd' their kid associated with most.

When push comes to shove, I'm also deeply uneasy about the idea of compulsion in order to access state education. It's very much a last resort IMO. Better education and access to 'catch up' programs should be tried strenuously first.

I think I would be more uncomfortable if my state just insisted on vaccinations for state schools, the fact it insists on vaccinations for all schools highlights that it is about universal dc welfare and not something about accessing state provisions. It is also something that you cannot buy your way out of.

Hercule, Errol, Dreich,

Hercule (and maybe others) maybe you misunderstood my point, no educational disadvantage whatsoever, same resources, also state school, but a state school which accepted non immunised children (and most didn’t).

The only difference would be that in those schools, the risk of actually getting measles would be around 15% (wild guess here). Instead of the quite low we have now. This would completely remove any herd immunity advantage these children didn’t contribute too. Would that be fair?

What about all the other places the children go? We can’t stop them going swimming, to the beach, to the supermarket.....

Maybe even an advantage (if you can count it that) as most parents probably would be middle class.... (I may be wrong, but think they are over represented in anti vax).

Only disadvantage would be a very real risk of actually get measles.

Saucery, just making a hypothetical argument to check if anti vax people would make the same decision if the risk of getting measles actually was quite significant. A thought experiment.

At the moment, they benefit from herd immunity, but do not contribute. I am just wondering if the current small risk due others vaccinating is something they factor into their decision.

Ah right, yes, I get you. I do think if cases rise and complications too (unfortunately) then we may see more uptake of the vaccine. God forbid it takes the death of a child to put a rocket up their arses though

Hercule?

StupidBody - I think your suggestion is not very dissimilar to my hypothetical case except mine is framed more in terms of parent choice.

I know . I just wanted to put forward (as a more extreme thought) the possibility for an anti vax parent to only be able to access an anti vax school with associated very high risk of measles

Hercule (and maybe others) maybe you misunderstood my point, no educational disadvantage whatsoever, same resources, also state school, but a state school which accepted non immunised children (and most didn’t).

It is disadvantageous not to have a choice of schools to apply to. That’s clear.

It is disadvantageous not to have a choice of schools to apply to

Indeed. As countless members of society are already so disadvantaged. Why would another set of rules make a difference?

So far as I remember (1970s), the medics turned up at your school and you got jabs. No letters home asking for consent in advance.

And now I wonder about Gillick competence and kids who want the vaccine in defiance of cabbage-brained parents.

Indeed. As countless members of society are already so disadvantaged. Why would another set of rules make a difference?

It would make a difference to these children.