UK lost measles free status

[Stressedout10]

So due to all the anti Vaxers the WHO have stripped us of our measles free status.
What next ?

www.docbastard.net/2019/04/vaccine-mythbusting.html?m=1

This is an interesting read for anyone that's 'on the fence'

The uk has NEVER had measles free status so where you getting this rubbish?

www.gov.uk/government/publications/measles-confirmed-cases/confirmed-cases-of-measles-mumps-and-rubella-in-england-and-wales-2012-to-2013

LilQueenie:

publichealthmatters.blog.gov.uk/2019/08/19/measles-in-england/

"In 2017 the World Health Organization declared that the UK had eliminated measles. However, that elimination status has not been maintained."

@LilQueenie it was the WHO definition of measles free. Which I don't think was 0 cases.

publichealthmatters.blog.gov.uk/2019/08/19/measles-in-england/

Also from that link:

"WHO defines measles elimination as the absence of circulating measles, in the presence of high vaccine coverage, along with good systems to identify cases of the disease. In countries that have eliminated measles, measles can still occur, but these will be isolated cases that only have limited spread within the community.

The UK initially achieved WHO measles elimination status in 2017, based on data from 2014-2016.

However, in 2018, there was a marked increase in the number of confirmed measles cases, with 991 confirmed cases in England and Wales, compared with 284 cases in 2017. Furthermore, the same strain of measles virus (called B3 Dublin) was detected for more than 12 months across 2017 and 2018. Based on this, WHO determined that the UK could no longer be consider as ‘eliminated’ and that transmission of measles had been re-established."

Also quit blaming those who don't vaccinate. Unless you go get the titer test you have no idea your vaccination actually worked. Most adults are not fully vaccinated. easier just to pass blame....

Oh ffs of course people that aren't vaccinated are far more likely to be spreading these diseases than people who were vaccinated.

angela but even though you and I might disagree on whether the advantages of letting children jump outweigh the risk, we and anyone else with half a brain understand that both exist, but not vaccinating has only risk and no possible advantages.

I think a more accurate analogy would be a none equestrian suggesting jumping has too many risks, so they’re going to let their kids ride on the flat without hats or tack, amongst those jumping, risking both their own skulls and the lives of any vulnerable rider that can’t dodge the inevitable crashes.

I do agree it’s more about information though. I could bang on all day about the advantages of jumping and quite understandably I won’t convince you because despite stats, there are other lower risk activities, and no scientific facts to prove the way it feels. Whereas with vacs we have both stats and scientific evidence.

That still makes no sense though and is utterly misleading.

yeraballoon evidence of that would only come from knowing the status of everyone who was infected but they won't say. Is it any wonder people are left questioning that.

@TrainspottingWelsh
Yes, I agree completely that science and stats back up vaccinations, that’s why I said it’s about “perceived benefits”
Anti-vaxxers perceive benefits that are not backed up by stats and science. But to them, they are just as real because their perception is not entirely rational.

Most adults are not fully vaccinated. easier just to pass blame....

Of course, you have actual scientific evidence of that....

That’s not comforting to those who are affected, but the chances of dying are very low.

But the chances of men becoming sterile are high, which is a real risk to society.

It is worth noting the young adults getting mumps now, are the babies not vaccinated 20 years ago when Wakefield started peddling his shite.

I understand why people would have concerns about everything when it comes to their babies (I had a thermometer next to DD1 for the first 3 months as I was paranoid she would overheat), but I struggle a bit as to why people wouldn’t vaccinate. My DCs are up to date with all immunisations and I even gave DD2 the chickenpox vaccine as DS had it and it was horrendous (DD1 has a mild version).

Also, we have had two immune compromised children in our school over the past three years. In addition to one parent and one grandparent that I know of who has had cancer and been immune compromised due to chemo.

For the anti vaxxers on this thread, genuine question, do you think that the increased risk to these people due to non vaccination is fair?

Would you be happy if there were established some “non vaccinated” schools for children who had not had the mmr? Even given that measles would be likely to spread as wildfire there and your child suddenly would be quite likely to get it?

@LilQueenie
Actually, in some studies of outbreaks, they DO say the status of patient zero and those that end up sick.
Majority of outbreaks are now happening because of a patient zero who has recently travelled...either immigrated from another continent or just visited and come back. Patient zero has been all sort- unvaccinated, vaccinated and immune from having had measles before. So they have dug into that and found that not all measles are the same. There are different strains in different parts of the world. So a person who is vaccinated in the US can catch and get sick with a measles strain local to say Turkey. So the vaccine failure rate of 5% is actually higher if exposed to a different strain of measles.
But, when this patient zero arrives and starts an outbreak, the unvaccinated people around them are more likely to get sick..this then intensifies the outbreak. The virus is spread by everyone- vaccinated, unvaccinated, and immune but unvaccinated are more likely to actually get sick. So the outbreak then has higher risk of injury/death to unvaccinated people in the area.
Of course, they are working to improve the measles vaccine like they do with all vaccines. And it is still the best protection against measles. But they know for a fact that not all outbreaks are caused by unvaccinated people.

I caught whooping cough and mumps (at the same time) as a baby, before I could be vaccinated, from the unvaccinated child in my brother’s class. I was horrifically ill and nearly died after choking on my mucus (my mum resuscitated me).

I will never understand somebody’s willingness to put their child’s life - or an innocent baby’s life - in danger due to pseudoscience. Australia have come down on this like a tonne of bricks and it has paid dividends, as with France.

@Yabbers
Not exactly. The mumps outbreaks among young adults has been studied extensively and are happening within vaccinated populations. They have found the the mumps vaccine is less effective when given as part of the MMR than it was when done seperateky. This paper studying it recommended a booster in adolescence to combat the waning immunity of the MMR:
“It is important to highlight the fact that the occurrence of outbreaks in vaccinated populations is not a problem unique to the JL vaccine strain, given that outbreaks have also occurred in populations with a history of vaccination with the Urabe AM9 and Leningrad-Zagreb strains (3, 15, 18, 33, 46). Thus, development of new mumps vaccine strains, as some have suggested, is not a likely solution to the problem. Rather, revaccination during adolescence to combat waning immunity might be the most effective measure, as suggested by the experience with military recruits who were spared involvement in the mumps resurgence in the United States in 2006 despite belonging to the same age group and residing in high-density close-contact environments, conditions not dissimilar to those of university campuses where the bulk of the outbreaks occurred in 2006. The likely reason for this is that in 1991, the military had begun routine administration of MMR vaccine to recruits without regard to prior vaccination status. This policy was modified in 1995 and then again in 2006, but the end effect was that a significant proportion of recruits likely received a dose of mumps-containing vaccine upon entrance into the military (6).”
From
“Recent Mumps Outbreaks in Vaccinated Populations: No Evidence of Immune Escape”
jvi.asm.org/content/86/1/615

Also quit blaming those who don't vaccinate. Unless you go get the titer test you have no idea your vaccination actually worked. Most adults are not fully vaccinated. easier just to pass blame

So if you think that the increase in measles is solely due to vaccinated individuals on whom the vaccine hasn't worked, how do you account for the massive falls in measles incidence in countries with good vaccination programmes?

Just under half of all males who get mumps-related orchitis notice some shrinkage of their testicles and an estimated 1 in 10 men experience a drop in their sperm count (the amount of healthy sperm their body can produce). However, this is very rarely large enough to cause infertility.
Mumps - Complications - NHS

I don’t think the lack of general ability/ education to interpret stats, scientific research etc is the problem. I’ve not researched it, but ime it doesn’t tend to be those who left education at 16 with few skills who aren’t vaccinating, all the anti vaccers I’ve come across tend to be educated to at least a-level if not degree level. And of the lentil weaving, wooden toys and organic only persuasion. The former group who may not have the skills to research and interpret are most likely to follow the experts without question, but the latter mistakenly think they are capable of their own research but they lack the skills to analyse it and inevitably draw the wrong conclusions.

angela agreed.

I’ve got 3dc, one isn’t vaccinated for medical reasons and two were. All three had measles. When I spoke to public health about potential complications they were very blasé and said they were rare and that my dc would be fine in a week or two (which they were)
Dd 1 was more poorly after the MMR than full blown measles, oddly. Maybe it was the combination of the three.
Anyway, unless you have a small baby of vulnerable dc I really wouldn’t worry

Sugarformyhoney where are you from?

1 in 15 children have lifelong complications from measles eg deafness or blindness. I find it very odd that health professionals were so blasé about this genuine high risk.

Do people really think that the increase in unvaccinated people and the increase in measles outbreaks are a coincidence?!?

Yes outbreaks can be caused by someone travelling or immigrating. But this is the source of the outbreak - if everyone that could be was vaccinated in the UK then it wouldn't spread

@AngelasAshes one study does not a conclusion make.

Why weren't there large outbreaks in the UK 10-15 years after the introduction in the UK 1988? There were smaller clusters but nothing as large as has been seen in the past few years. Because herd immunity fell massively and mumps vaccine was already less than 90% effective so herd was far more important.

Your link makes it clear they can't actually prove a waning immunity.

You can't sanction parents for making choices you personally don't like, without compromising your right to raise your own children as you see fit.

I couldn't have the MMR jab, so I have had both measles and mumps. As a result, I was in hospital as sick a a dog for a long time with the former, and lost quite a lot of my hearing to the latter.

VACCINATE YOUR KIDS!