To wonder why Corbyn won’t stand aside

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Is he just the most stubborn man ever?

Labour could win a GE if they stood on a Remain, or at least avoid No Deal ticket but Corbyn is so toxic that people just don’t support him.

I know he wants to leave the EU really but why are Labour letting him stay in post?

Diversion attempt, you said Brown was responsible for the financial crash of 2008.... you cannot back that up, its just murdoch media bullshit.

Well, if he wasn’t responsible for the consequences of his decisions (after 11 years!) then surely Osborne and the Tories aren’t responsible for the consequences of theirs. See the holes you fall into when you rely on special pleading?

I agree with Jeremy Corbyn on most of his social policies, and at another point in time he might have made a good leader for the Labour Party but unfortunately what is required of the opposition at this time is a leader who is a pragmatist not an ideologue. Someone who can compromise not entrench themselves, in order to get through this Brexit nightmare. But that's not what he and his coterie want. He's anti EU and they want Brexit and the chaos and recession that follows to be the Tories fault. It's the poorest that will suffer most.
Labour will get blamed every bit as much as the Tories for not doing enough to stop it.

I hope if anything good comes out of this the big parties break up. The extreme left and extreme right are in charge but probably don't command a huge number of the electorate.

Again a diversion, so i'll ask you again, in what way was Brown responsible for the Global Financial Crash?

I have no clue who to vote for. The only policy I agree with Labour on is their leasehold reforms which would benefit me immensely. However some of their other rumoured policies will wipe out any gains so why bother?

@JustAnotherPoster00 No antisemitsm should be acceptable and I worry for your family feeling of safety but just to try and help to put your families mind at rest the reported figure of antisemitsm has been worked out and its turns out to be 0.06% of the membership, to high absolutely, it is less than the antisemitsm in the general population and certainly a lot less than on the right but Formby is doing a good job of trying to clear up the mess that McNicol had left behind

No, she's not.

I appreciate that you are trying to be reassuring but as a Jewish person who's lived in London my whole life, and my parents have done for their whole lives (they're in their 70s), none of us has ever experienced an atmosphere of antisemitism like this before.

My grandparents, who are no longer alive, probably did experience it in the pre-war years.

But Corbyn and all of his coterie have deliberately encouraged, stimulated and driven a huge rise in antisemitism (which will also have fall out for other minorities, as it always does).

People feel emboldened to say and do things that would have been totally out of the question even ten years ago.

it is less than the antisemitsm in the general population

This figure gets bandied about by Corbyn supporters based on some very questionable research and is meaningless. I've read the 'research' paper. I suggest you look at the polls of actual Jewish people that have found that over 85% of us are fully aware of what Corbyn is, and that was over a year ago - things have only got worse since then.

I was at the 'Enough is Enough' protest with my children and it's the first time in my life I have ever been faced with outright, direct, full-on antisemitism (as opposed to more subtle digs, jokes and implications).

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I don't deny your experience and I'm very sorry that you have to suffer that in this day and age.

I unfortunately cant take anecdote as data, do you discount what Chomsky and Finkelstein have had to say about the current smear campaign and like I said a 0.01% would still be too much antisemitsm and the lack of reporting on the antisemitsm and the islamaphobia in the Tory party is very telling almost as if they want you to think that Corbyn himself is antisemitic (no evidence although if there was any I would obviously change my mind or that all antisemitism is from the left only, a lot of issues some have is the fact that they cant tell the difference between anti zionism and anti semitsm I hope the guide Labour released will help educate more people and if it doesnt then they need to be thrown out after due process

The 0.06% claim is a red herring. It refers to the number of members disciplined for AS. It has no bearing on the widespread AS in the LP apart from being useful to pretend the problem is a lot smaller that it is. Go on any LP forum or even open facebook and twitter and it's clear it's rather more than 0.06%.

@Serin - Andy Burnham isn't an MP. And he lost in the Leadership contest v Corbyn.

@Deathgrip - that's not true. He's choses what he believes. I left the Party because of him.

I am interested for those who want to stop no deal (I am one) and who do not like Corbyn, would you not support him - as he has suggested - to be leader in a time limited govt to stop no deal, request an extension, followed shortly after by a general election with Labour promising they will campaign on a promise of a second ref? ( I appreciate it’s fellow MPs that need to make the choice, just interested on views here).

• the above should be ‘ a time limited cross party government’.

@birdandroses no. Because much as I want to stop Brexit I am not going to start supporting someone who has made it very clear that I, my family and community are neither safe nor welcome in our own country.

"Again a diversion, so i'll ask you again, in what way was Brown responsible for the Global Financial Crash?"
@jasjas1973 , as far as I am concerned, Brown was pretty good trying to sort out a disaster thrust upon him.
However, that doesn't make any difference to the discussion on antisemitism. For the first time in my long life, I am cautious about telling people my Dad was Jewish and I nudge my 12 year old in the same direction.

as far as I am concerned, Brown was pretty good trying to sort out a disaster thrust upon him

In response to a PP who claimed Brown was responsible for the economic mess we found ourselves in back in 2008.

However, that doesn't make any difference to the discussion on anti semitism. For the first time in my long life, I am cautious about telling people my Dad was Jewish and I nudge my 12 year old in the same direction

Terrible, society in generally seems far more (and openly) racist in recent years, always been there but more hidden.
Some of the conversations i hear down at my local in cornwall plus things that get shared on Messenger are truly shocking.

I know JC gets flamed for his response to antisemitism and rightly so, it is a pity that the Conservatives do not have the same spotlight shone on their policies which have resulted in illegal deportations, with nothing more that a "Sorry my bad" when found out.

Farage and his "Breaking point" poster was allowed and tolerated, a poster with its origins from the Nazi era or Cummins/Johnson and their campaign based on immigration from Turkey.

All this allows the far right to flourish, very sad times.

Corbyn has really shocked me this time.
He is heading to Africa for about a week, when he should be working here....

Corbyn has really shocked me this time.
He is heading to Africa for about a week, when he should be working here....

Do you know what he's doing in Africa mummy2017?
He does nothing here anyway. He was on the news a couple of days ago and a woman was walking along beside him holding an umbrella over him because it was raining. Then he was embarrassingly crap at ping pong but maybe that was the day after.

Critics of JC should remember he is part of team

I think this is what worries some of us. McDonnell and Abbot have already been mentioned, but the thought of a cabinet including JC's attack dog Chris Williamson would be reason enough in itself not to vote Labour … to say nothing of types such as Ken Livingston, Derek Hatton and Seamus Milne pulling strings in the background

And before the whataboutery starts, I equally detest many in the Tory party - which is why I'm yet another who's politically homeless ATM

I wanted to add that I wouldn't vote for any party that was obviously actively bullying and persecuting any ethnic minority group, not just the one to which I happen to belong.

I've just been aware of it for much longer because it is my community. I was warning about Corbyn many years before he even became party leader. It's been like watching a horrible, terrifying car crash in slow motion