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To wonder why Corbyn won’t stand aside

150 replies

Bearbehind · 16/08/2019 08:52

Is he just the most stubborn man ever?

Labour could win a GE if they stood on a Remain, or at least avoid No Deal ticket but Corbyn is so toxic that people just don’t support him.

I know he wants to leave the EU really but why are Labour letting him stay in post?

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timshelthechoice · 16/08/2019 12:33

Stubbornness and entitlement. He doesn't give a shit about anyone but himself and his cronies. I'll never vote Labour with him as leader.

Lumene · 16/08/2019 12:34

There’s no point in having a conversation with Corbyn when he says one thing to people’s faces then completely contradicts it or fails to act on it. Deeds not just nice words are required to actually govern.

Deathgrip · 16/08/2019 12:36

Labour are not the tories. They’re also not Corbyn alone.

Corbyn’s policies are based on the views of the membership. The opinions and beliefs of their members actually mean something, on Brexit and everything else. I realise this may be hard to fathom.

Crunchymum · 16/08/2019 12:52

Boris or Jeremy is like choosing to be shot or stabbed.

Both awful choices but which one is less awful?

verticality · 16/08/2019 12:54

Mumsnet: the voice of Blairite centrism.

Alltheprettyseahorses · 16/08/2019 12:58

You don't get to speak to Corbyn! He only meets the odd vetted CLP if he's in need of an ego boost and even there you will not get a Q&A never mind a one-to-one. He doesn't engage with the general public. You'd need Labour membership ID first and you'd be hustled away if you asked a tricky question, as seen happening on a few videos.

Alltheprettyseahorses · 16/08/2019 13:02

Corbyn’s policies are based on the views of the membership. The opinions and beliefs of their members actually mean something, on Brexit and everything else. I realise this may be hard to fathom.

Yeah, that isn't true though. Anyone who pays attention will see the internal membership splits over Labour policy. You get a few cheerleaders for leadership-imposed semi-policy and a lot saying WTactualF?

BMW6 · 16/08/2019 13:07

the voice of Blairite centrism.

voted into Government for 15 years. The most successful Labour Party ever.

Hint. Britain is very Centrist. I believe always will be.

Deathgrip · 16/08/2019 13:24

Boris or Jeremy is like choosing to be shot or stabbed.

And reading these threads is like living in a timeloop where people say the same thing over and over, think they’re so witty, and think it’s their opinion rather than something they’ve picked up and regurgitated

Hobbesmanc · 16/08/2019 13:25

The problem is that labours core voters are in total opposition so the leadership is risking alienating huge swathes of there constituents. The youth vote and the big cities including London are broadly remain. But most traditional heartland labour seats voted leave. He can't just ignore Teesside and Stoke and Blackburn

CendrillonSings · 16/08/2019 13:27

and think it’s their opinion rather than something they’ve picked up and regurgitated

Whereas the Corbynites are the real original thinkers, with their reheated mishmash of dogmatic 1970s socialism?

bellinisurge · 16/08/2019 13:40

"@bellinisurge I know you don't like him but I'd encourage you to attend one of his meetings and actually have a discussion with him. I have, I certainly don't agree with all his views, but he's more than happy (and able) to discuss any concerns you have. He's all over the country over the summer (and every weekend through the year) so hopefully he'll be near you at some point."
Ive spent more time in my life with people like him so I won't bother. If he gave an actual shit he would have been campaigning for Remain even sharing a platform with Cameron - would've been easy to say "I hate this twat but I also think we should Remain". Wouldn't have been that difficult. Unless Corbyn actually supported Leave. Which he did. Nope, if there's no choice and we only get to avoid No Deal with him as PM, I can reluctantly accept that. Hero worshipping beardy lefty twats is not my thing.

Jazzybeats · 16/08/2019 13:44

Seems to be doing a fairly good job opposing to me... how many commons defeats has labour inflicted on the tories so far?

I’m not really sure what Centerism means. Jo Swinson claims to be a centerist for example but her voting record is fairly right of centre...

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Bearbehind · 16/08/2019 13:51

You're a Tory voter aren't you? So you're one of the people that caused this mess in the first place.

Was a Tory voter and I didn’t vote for Brexit.

This mess is firmly at the door of those who voted Leave having no idea how to deliver it.

That’s why I simply can’t understand how any life long labour supporters still support Corbyn.

He is the only reason Labour cannot and have not won a GE.

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ethelfleda · 16/08/2019 13:53

I was swept up by Corbyn fever last summer. I won’t vote for labour now because of their ineffective opposition and their unclear stance on Brexit. I’d vote for LD if they called another GE.

Yaflamingalah · 16/08/2019 13:54

Because lots of people want him to be Prime Minister?
Except for the pesky electorate eh?

thetwinkles · 16/08/2019 13:55

Agreed. Awful man!

Jazzybeats · 16/08/2019 13:55

So... the bankers caused a recession and we had to bail them out. Rather than punish the bankers, the tories supported by the Lib Dem’s heaped the burden onto the poor with austerity creating the conditions for Brexit.

The tories then called a referendum with no plan to try and appease the hard right of their party.

Cameron lost and then quit leaving others to clear up his mess.

And this is Corbyns fault how?

Deathgrip · 16/08/2019 13:56

Whereas the Corbynites are the real original thinkers, with their reheated mishmash of dogmatic 1970s socialism?

I’ll take reheated socialism over regurgitated Murdochisms any day of the week. Does it truly not occur to you that perhaps what’s in the best interests of Murdoch and Johnson et al probably isn’t in yours? And yet you parrot their soundbytes (unelectable! terrorist sympathiser!) ad nauseum.

SuzieQ10 · 16/08/2019 13:58

I have always voted labour. And been proud to do so. Not anymore.

I have a lot of respect for JC as a man of principle and I respect his political values (to an extent). But he's been an utterly awful leader of the opposition. At such a crucial time! I'll never vote for the party while it's in this shocking state. The Labour Party is an embarrassment at the moment. And I have no one to vote for now.

Jazzybeats · 16/08/2019 14:00

And to be completely clear - anyone who thinks the Lib Dem’s are centerists is truly misguided.

Utterly self serving as seen in recent history - propping up a Tory government for 5 years and yet unable to even contemplate 2 weeks in a unity government in the national interest to stop a no deal Brexit ! Hardly putting the country first now despite their protestations.

Tensixtysix · 16/08/2019 14:01

He's power mad! That's why he doesn't want to resign. He can't wait to get his paws on the nuclear codes.
He's too much like PUTIN!

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Bearbehind · 16/08/2019 14:16

He's too much like PUTIN!

PMSL - Putin and Corbyn are about as opposite as it’s possible to be!

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CendrillonSings · 16/08/2019 14:22

Does it truly not occur to you that perhaps what’s in the best interests of Murdoch and Johnson et al probably isn’t in yours?

I’m pretty certain having the shit taxed out of me isn’t in my best interests, yes Wink

bellinisurge · 16/08/2019 14:28

I don't need Murdoch papers or Johnson to tell me what Corbyn is. I'm old . I've seen his type . I voted Labour all my life. If he is the PM of a Stop No Deal government, I will support him. Otherwise, he can fuck off