To wonder why Corbyn won’t stand aside

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Is he just the most stubborn man ever?

Labour could win a GE if they stood on a Remain, or at least avoid No Deal ticket but Corbyn is so toxic that people just don’t support him.

I know he wants to leave the EU really but why are Labour letting him stay in post?

@Snowy111 has the debt been reduced due to austerity measures?

@SootySueandSweeptoo
Seriously though, magic grandpa may be a harmless, principled, bumbling old fool

He's none of those except for being an old fool.

He's a dangerous, racist, ideologue.

Labour had a mainstream leader in Miliband, they lost the 2015 GE, he did not attract pro EU tory voters (about 4 milllion of them) despite the Cons having a referendum promise in their manifesto inc that they would honour the result, no mention of "non binding"

Easy to pick up on Corbyns faults but ignores the reality that the media will go all out to destroy any Labour opposition leader and seemingly many swallow this propaganda.

Critics of JC should remember he is part of team, has no parliamentary majority and cannot force the Govt to do anything without Tory MPs support, he has put fwd plenty of amendments that would have stopped Brexit but anti brexit Con MPs didn't support him.

I think its a fallacy that anyone else would do better, there would just be a host of different reasons tories would have not to vote for him/her.

Anyone who has ever voted tory has/or had some pretty mixed up ideas of society.

Cobblers not sure exactly but the 2 trillion debt is on the cusp of being reduced if Boris and no deal don’t completely ruin all the effort. The interest payments alone are huge. But I can see that the tories had a plan to reduce the extra borrowing each year and have been delivering on that - even though it’s been painful for many.

I think people blamed the pain on immigrants rather than the need to get finances in order which is why we’re in such a bad place now (but could get much worse).

Labour will win on a remain platform? Because all of the Labour heartlands outside London voted remain did they? Also, didn't Labour vote against the deals on the table hence the prospect of a no deal? Boris calls a GE, the Tories run a "Labour don't care what you think" campaign and there's a damned good chance that Labour will get hammered. Personally, I feel Labour died with Smith.

I think what has become clear in the last few days is that centrists will accept more austerity as long as Brexit is defeated and the right will continue to look for scapegoats - "benefits scroungers" (see austerity), immigrants (see Brexit). Social democracy - a system that works well in other countries is always derided in the UK because the country leans so far to the right these days.

Rather than self reflection the British electorate (largely) seem happy to wrongly diagnose the countries problems - which led to austerity and Brexit rather than looking for a fairer alternative.

Really? Centrists will accept more austerity?

Where do you get the evidence for that?

Stage1 is stopping the madness that is Brexit.

Stage 2 should be Labour electing a new leader. Corbyn is hopeless and a Brexshitter.

Stage 3 should be a GE.

The Lib Dems, including it appears under Swinson gravitate more to conservatism than they do towards Labour. I appreciate that to remainers Lib Dems seem like the safe bet for stopping Brexit but austerity helped lead us to this point and that has convienantly been forgotten.

I think many people would happily return to pre 2016 ways even though it was a horrid time for those at the brunt of the austerity cuts.
If the Lib Dems stopped Brexit then what? Back to the old ways? How will that help the poorer members of society that voted for Brexit?

@SootySueandSweeptoo

I totally agree Rubicon - I was posting in response to the early comments to the effect that he was a genuine and moral man. Whatever he is, it isn’t that. DH is Iranian diaspora and is horrified by his appearance on Iran’s state TV which is a mouthpiece for Islamic extremism and state sanctioned murder. My only point was that Abbott and McDonnell are equally odious.

your husband is absolutely right about Corbyn's deep involvement with the worst of the Iranian state, and similarly with Russia.

I have quite a few Iranian friends living here in London who express similar sentiments.

McDonnell I believe is an extremely dangerous man: his own comments about how he would change laws to criminalise his political opponents tell you that.

I also think Seamus Milne holds a lot of the power and responsibility for the worst actions of Corbyn's Labour, and he is as Establishment as they come.

Which one of our parties has been doing deals with actual terrorists in Saudi?

Which one of our parties has been doing deals with actual terrorists in Saudi?

The moral compass convienantly gets switched off for this.

Being Labour leader is irrelevant here. He can't get a majority of current MPs to accept him so he should step aside.

He claims as LOHMO he should be asked to form govt.
This has NEVER happened in the history of ever. He wishes rules made up to suit him.
He won't step aside as he is a brexiter so will help visit brexit on us through spite. Bastard.

The Lib Dems, including it appears under Swinson gravitate more to conservatism than they do towards Labour.

You mean they have brains? Excellent - hope they win more support!

@GhostofFrankGrimes

Which one of our parties has been doing deals with actual terrorists in Saudi?

The moral compass convienantly gets switched off for this.

the Tories are also total scumbags.

How dare you say that there is anything "convenient" or fake about the fact that my family, after generations in this country and fighting in ww1 and ww2, are fearing for their lives and future here due to the institutional anti-semitism of the Labour Party?

Anti Semitism is unforgivable. It’s clear that some Labour Party members have views that need to be removed from the party.

This is no different to our government, except our government actually voted in racist policies such as the hostile environment, “go home” vans, and windrush. Where our PM talks about Muslim women in highly offensive terms. Where Trump’s views go unchallenged.

Frankly the Lib Dem’s are no better, having enabled all of the above.

You mean they have brains? Excellent - hope they win more support!

Supporting the Tories for five years and then getting hammered in the next election was an intelligent move?

Supporting the Tories for five years and then getting hammered in the next election was an intelligent move?

They really took one for the team - saved the UK economy and provided strong government after Brown’s gross mismanagement at huge political cost to themselves. I rather admire them.

They really took one for the team - saved the UK economy and provided strong government after Brown’s gross mismanagement at huge political cost to themselves. I rather admire them.

How is the UK economy doing today? They only people who took one for the team were the victims of austerity. Also won't bother explaining the global crash of 2008 effecting the UK economy because its been done a million times.

How dare you say that there is anything "convenient" or fake about the fact that my family, after generations in this country and fighting in ww1 and ww2, are fearing for their lives and future here due to the institutional anti-semitism of the Labour Party?

No antisemitsm should be acceptable and I worry for your family feeling of safety but just to try and help to put your families mind at rest the reported figure of antisemitsm has been worked out and its turns out to be 0.06% of the membership, to high absolutely, it is less than the antisemitsm in the general population and certainly a lot less than on the right but Formby is doing a good job of trying to clear up the mess that McNicol had left behind

saved the UK economy and provided strong government after Brown’s gross mismanagement at huge political cost to themselves. I rather admire them

Its hard to believe that anyone who can operate a computer or a phone/tablet can come out with such bollox.

There was a global financial crash (GFC) that started in the USA, any country with a banking system got hit and Labour had to spend/borrow to bailout the banks or things would have got considerably worse, they had no alternative and Brown was rightly given credit for how he handled that crisis.

Of course if you only read the SUN, Mail or Express, GFC stands for Gordons Financial Culpability.

Of course if you only read the SUN, Mail or Express, GFC stands for Gordons Financial Culpability.

You have to love Labour supporters - so the man who was Chancellor for 10 years and PM for 3 (an almost unprecedented term of control over the UK economy) bears no responsibility for economic disasters on his watch. Right

Google what Global means.

or have a read and then post back.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_crisis_of_2007%E2%80%932008

Have you forgotten the Great Leader’s diktats? The Blair-Brown governments were a period of neoliberal Red Tory centrism with nothing to do with true Labour. Why are you defending the Blairite shill?