To think if you can't keep your child quiet .....

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Don't come to the pub and ruin it for all the other patrons

Two children behaving beautifully (or as lovely as toddlers can be) one clearly just being a brat

YANBU. Also agree w coffee shops.

YANBU children don't want to sit in pubs they get bored bring them something to do colouring/play doh/stickers so they don't feel the need to behave like brats and ruin it for everyone else

I wouldn’t take my DC to a hungry horse, why should they be subjected to that shit food?
We have a few nice, local pubs which serve decent food, have highchairs for children and small play areas outside. We also take ours to a local nice hotel to eat. If one of them misbehaved we would take them outside.

If you don’t like it then stay at home and eat in peace.

It’s not an either/or.
You can’t behave how you want in a pub and then tell everyone else that if they don’t like it they should go home. That’s a hugely selfish attitude.

And I certainly wouldn’t take them to a Wetherspoons. The behaviour of the adults in there is usually appalling.

Haha Soy, Wetherspoons is the best place to take children for a casual meal in London.

Affordable, reasonable food for the money, plenty of clean toilets and yes, all human life is there but I've never seen loutish behaviour during the day (most don't allow children in the evenings)

Having worked in a pub for many years it was the nappy/potty incidents I found most shocking. We had nice toilets with a clean work surface, bins, washbasins etc for changing little ones. Despite this I have seen people changing babies on the tables in the dining room, and on the bench seats in the bar. I have seen people tipping contents of a potty into the planters in the garden and into the sand cigarette bucket. I have picked up countless soiled nappies from the garden, car park and under tables in the beer garden - Sometimes but not always stuck up or wrapped. Astonishing

I hate this. Went to a restaurant yesterday and they put us next to a table with 3 kids. All running round, screaming, throwing food on the floor. They wasn’t toddlers either. My kids are 18mo and 7 and sat nicely and ate. The eldest was even moaning about the noise. In a pub it’s even worse!

This is interesting actually. I have a friend who's DW always worked weekends, so his DC were mostly with him at weekends.

He was also coach/manager of a local football team, so the DC (both footballers) went with him, including the trip to the pub afterwards. A proper pub, not a restaurant pub iyswim.

When they were young I was a bit at the amount of time they spent in pubs but by the time they were teenagers, they were some of the loveliest, most sociable people I know. I do put at least part of that down to them being raised in the pub!

I grew up in areas where pubs were strictly for over 18s.

Where we live now I can't think.of one pub that doesn't allow children.

So when we went back up north to visit family after being down south for 20 years and walked into a pub with our children we thought it would be the same as where we live.
We got thrown out.

It took a lot for me to go up north for the weekend. I haven't been back.

I don't know how pubs survive on alcohol and adults only trade.

There are a lot of restaurants that are adults only. They tend to be more expensive.

Bella Italia and Prezzos are classed as restaurants but I wouldn't go into one hoping for a quiet child free meal

You don’t want noisy children, you don’t want children using tech, keep going - do you have a view on what they are eating too?
Why does it have to be either/or??

The OP has an issue with loud, badly behaved children in pubs and tablets on loud in pubs.
The OP isn't being a GF. She expects parents to reasonably parent their children, probably doing what the vast majority of people manage to do all the time (e.g. appropriate noise level for location, redirecting children who need it, appropriate activities to occupy their children, talking at an appropriate volume, providing headphones for tablet and phone use so everyone else doesn't have to suffer etc etc).

When expecting basic courtesy hits a criteria for being a GF it's not hard to see how people end up getting irritated with some parents who think their offspring should be as free and spirited as they like.

Noisy tech is just as bad

We do take the dc to lunch pretty much weekly but they need to behave. Going with the teach them while they’re young approach .

If I want to get away from kids there are plenty of places where kids don’t go.

Pubs should be one of these places. A Hungry Horse, fair enough, but why do people bring their kids into drinking pubs? One coke in a beer garden walking the dog I could understand, but actually into the bar? It annoys me. I met my friends the other day and a man had told them off for swearing (a 'fuck's sake' when you spill a bit of your drink swearing, at their own table) because his young son was there. It's a pub at 6pm. Don't bring your child in.

Anyone being overly loud in public is annoying let's face it, whether they are 3 or 60.

I expect drunken loud behaviour in a pub and I expect noisy children in a child friendly pub. Pubs aren't really known for being quiet environments.

I wouldn't expect adults to moderate their language in a pub. Funnily enough we had this exact situation when in a wetherspoons. A group chatting about visiting a lap dancing club and their experiences while we were waiting for food with our children. In some situations I might have asked them to change the subject but I think that you have to accept that in a pub.

So when we went back up north to visit family after being down south for 20 years and walked into a pub with our children we thought it would be the same as where we live.

We got thrown out.

Was it a pub that served food?

YANBU.
But MN seems to be the place where most people don’t care about children being disruptive or noisy and don’t care about how their precious little darlings impact other people.

I don't think that's true flora

Meh. The only child noise that ever bothered me was my own children’s. I can screen everyone else’s out, can honestly say it wouldn’t bother me one iota.

DDIJ

I have been down South for 40 years and it has always been a thing

I came from the North and it was do restrictive. I don't know whether it is a regional thing and the local council have some issue with children in pubs or whether it is just something landlords do because they don't know any different.

I know Sunday lunch times pubs around here are buzzing with drinkers and diners and families.
You definitely have to book.way in advance if you want a meal and if you.go out just for a drink you can be hard pressed getting a table

The pub we got thrown out of was virtually empty.

I wouldn't expect adults to moderate their language in a pub. Funnily enough we had this exact situation when in a wetherspoons. A group chatting about visiting a lap dancing club and their experiences while we were waiting for food with our children. In some situations I might have asked them to change the subject but I think that you have to accept that in a pub.

Yes, I absolutely agree. Just like an adult wouldn't go down to a soft play with a good book and a glass of wine and ask the kids to keep the noise down. There are different environments for different people and the (drinking) pub should remain for adults.

God I wish I could go back to Spain. They have such a lovely attitude towards children being out and about and it's just not such a stressful experience as coming out here.

The pub we got thrown out of was virtually empty.

Did it serve food?

Oh I wondered how long it would be till the more tolerant in Spain/France/Italy was rolled out

Children's facilities are much better in the UK in my experience!