To suggest that safeguarding should be paramount when dealing with children?

[KatieAlcock]

Because it was on these grounds that I was expelled from Girlguiding.

My story was in the Mail on Sunday yesterday and in the Telegraph today.

I'm taking them to court over my dismissal - they investigated me for talking about their policies on social media, but ultimately decided that I was OK to talk to a small group of people about the ins and outs of GG policy.

But they also decided that it is NOT OK for a leader to put safeguarding above policies - they specifically state trans policies, but frankly, wouldn't you rather your girl's Brownie leader put safeguarding ahead of any policy?

Also, AIBU to say that Mumnetters and other women are INCREDIBLY generous and helpful and that I've now managed to achieve something with their help? But that I'm not supposed to say what I've achieved? Or that I still need help?

Dunno if it’s just me but I was a girl guide for years and never saw anyone else naked...

I don't remember mentioning seeing people naked, but now you come to mention it, when we took Rainbows and Brownies swimming we always had to use the big changing rooms (Rainbows needed help, Brownies more to get them home this year) and while I'd be discreet when changing myself, it's not always completely possible (and girls aren't).
I wouldn't want a male child in there (many girls wouldn't or couldn't), but I'd worry about a male adult changing with unrelated girls. Wouldn't be allowed in most settings.

I was a Guider for 16 years until my disability made it impossible. I took my girls away twice a year. We didn't camp but stayed in. Dorms or village halls. The bathrooms always had separated shower cubicles. If have been happy taking amab girls away with me. In my experience trans folk are very circumspect, and don't want to flash their genitals all over the shop.

In my experience trans folk are very circumspect, and don't want to flash their genitals all over the shop.
There are sex guides aimed at teenage girls that talk about "if your girlfriend has a penis". Doesn't really matter about "all over the shop" if only one girl sees it, really, one is enough for a girl to get pregnant on camp.

In my experience trans folk are very circumspect, and don't want to flash their genitals all over the shop

I agree this is true in the majority of cases.

Most men I know are also circumspect but it doesn't change the fact that men who identify as women are still just as likely to commit a crime as if they had not transitioned.
Trans people are no more or less likely to abuse than the rest of their sex but the key phrases there are no less than and their sex.

People should have the freedom to present however they wish. This doesn’t make gender = sex.

I don’t think we are truly accepting of trans people until we accept them as who they are, biology and all. People have particular needs because of their biology. Changing gender doesn’t change this.