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MIL issue - have upset DH

138 replies

JuststopMIL · 04/08/2019 11:04

I should preface this with the fact that I know I’m really lucky to have a MIL who welcomed me into their family with open arms and judging by some of the stories on here I could have done much much worse.

My MIL is v loud and often says the wrong thing in social settings. As a result she doesn’t have a particularly big social group, so I find that she’s a little overbearing with me. I know DH gets upset for her that she isn’t included in things socially, so I try to make an effort to include her where I can. She lives around 1.5 hours away, and I find when I include her, she uses this to turn one invitation into a whole week or weekend of festivities (‘MIL’-fest as I’ve referred to it with my friends).

For example, for my birthday, a few friends, my mum and aunt went to a city 45 minutes away for a meal. I invited MIL - as it was 45 minutes the wrong way, she’d have been over 2 hours from home. My friends and I (so excl mum, aunt and MIL) were staying with a friend in the city we’d been in - I explained that a few of us were staying with a friend, but she wasn’t able to host any more, but I’d arranged for DH to collect her after the meal and bring her back to ours, where she could stay and then head home in the morning. I felt like this was a nice way to include her for the evening!

The week of my birthday, she then phones upset because ‘every single hotel in the city’ (where DH and I live) was booked for the evening before the meal so she’d need to stay with us the night before (the Friday when the meal was Saturday). I clarified that we wouldn’t be meeting until around 5pm on the Saturday so there really is no need to stay over the night before (not pointing out that it’s massively unlikely that every single room in the large city where we live is booked). She got upset, so we eventually settled on DH and I meeting MIL for dinner on the Friday while she stays in her magically free hotel room that we explained that she didn’t need.

The following day I knew she’d call in the morning to ask what we’re doing in the day (nothing - you weren’t invited), so I made a hair appointment and escaped the house, leaving DH to field her calls. The meal was fine - she said some v inappropriate things but I expect it from her and my mum and friends were understanding, until DH texted me saying that MIL told him not to worry about collecting her and we’d figured it out so she could stay. I texted DH back saying that was untrue, and she would still need collecting. When I asked her what had happened she say it was a miscommunication (I later checked the text and it absolutely wasn’t). DH collected her and she went home.

The following day my friends and I spent the morning shopping in the city we’d been to, heading home around 4pm. When I arrived MIL was still there, wanting my friends and I to go out for dinner with her. I had to leave the house at 5am the following day, so I sent my friends home, thanked MIL for coming but explained I needed to get organised for the week (I was away for the week with work so needed to pack). She kept insisting that we’d just go for one drink and then she’d just stay for one coffee, so I went upstairs to shower and left DH with her until she left.

In a few weeks DH and I are hosting a small celebration and I’ve told DH to invite MIL, on the understanding that she arrives at the start of the party and leaves at the end (MIL doesn’t drink and the party is midday until mid-afternoon so there’s no reason for this to cause an issue). Already I have texts that she should stay the night before to ‘help’ on the morning and the following day to clean up. I told her that isn’t necessary and she’s just invited to the party. She kept pushing back, so I asked DH to speak to her. He must be feeling worn down and embarrassed, and he was reluctant to speak with her. I calmly explained that when an afternoon long invitation repeatedly turns into a weekend long commitment, it makes me less likely to invite her in the first place and if this doesn’t stop then she’s not invited. He’s upset that he’s stuck in the middle of this between me and his mum - he doesn’t want her to be uninvited but she’s absolutely relentless and when told not to come the day before and after will appear anyway.

Would I be unreasonable to uninvite her to this and future events until she understands that an invitation to one meal isn’t free reign to take over an entire weekend?

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MyNameIsRachelAndIWantAPresent · 04/08/2019 20:36

My DM was similar. Plus if we invited her once to something, she would get upset if we didn't invite her next time. Think annual events, trips to the cinema, days out somewhere. So we slowly stopped inviting her to certain things simply to avoid the grief we got off we wanted to do something different next time around

JuststopMIL · 04/08/2019 21:55

@fedup21 I agree it’s probably crept up on me before I realised - these two events probably aren’t representative of the rest of the relationship - I wouldn’t usually invite her along with a group and usually events would include my DH and FIL so it’s not indicative of what I’d usually invite her to.

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ClareIsland · 05/08/2019 16:58

What do you think needs to happen OP?

Mammajay · 05/08/2019 18:07

On this invite I might compromise and say I definitely don't want you to come down the night before as I like to organise my own stuff and get stressed with someone helping. Don't budge on that. I would then say but you are welcome to stay overnight if you don't mind heading home mid morning as I have to sort out stuff for work Monday. I think you are lovely thoughtful dil to try so hard with your mil.

jessycake · 05/08/2019 18:12

I would just grit your teeth this time for your hubbys sake and don't invite her for anything else like that . I really don't think she will just learn , its possibly connected to her social awkwardness , she can't pick up on social cues and cannot let go of something .

Rtruth · 05/08/2019 18:38

Well this is simple...

Only person who can deal with this is your husband and he needs to grow a pair to either be honest with either you or his mum.

CountryGirl1234 · 05/08/2019 18:38

I think I would be saying to her that you are feeling unwell and doubt you will be attending anymore as you need to rest now your pregnant and have been so busy of late.
Then as PP have stayed distance yourself, set boundaries and stick to them, also when baby arrives the last thing you want on lack of sleep and feeling over protective is someone like her hanging around offering advice and won’t leave. I think you should definitely be instilling family time between you and your husband and less visits once you’ll have your hands full.
Good luck you’ll need it Flowers

CountryGirl1234 · 05/08/2019 18:39

*stated

MollyMinniesMum · 05/08/2019 18:43

I’m having the same issue with my DSD and her partner, they’ve been invited to an afternoon event 2 til 6 and have ended up inviting themselves for the whole weekend! YANBU x

Sunandrainallconfusedhere · 05/08/2019 18:50

Beware she will be expecting visits to baby groups etc too.
Keep it family(dh /fil) meet ups only imo!

1Wildheartsease · 05/08/2019 18:51

I agree, it sounds as if you need to be more last minute in your invitations to her... and plan carefully yourself.

+Be more direct in your refusals. (No, this isn't convenient for us. No we cannot meet you at the hotel. No you can't be here early. No reasons need to be given.)

lawnmowingsucks · 05/08/2019 19:11

It seems to me @JuststopMIL that you're enabling and empowering MIL with too many invites and not enough strict boundaries and then throwing your hands up in horror when it all goes wrong. Hmm

She isn't going to change. Ever.

Start a strict much reduced visiting routine with no overnight stays at your home and even further reduced visiting as a 'punishment' for not sticking to the rules

It's the only way imo

diddl · 05/08/2019 19:23

"have ended up inviting themselves for the whole weekend! "

But weren't they told that it's not convenient if it isn't?

TheABC · 05/08/2019 19:28

Step back. Tell her if she can't make it for the baby shower, fair enough, but its the afternoon only. Stop inviting her to social occasions and your DH do more of the legwork.

Regarding the baby (congratulations on your pregnancy!), decide in advance what you want in place. She will come down for a visit and try to stay for weeks "to help". Spell it out in advance and get your husband to back it up as you will be on your knees with tiredness.

I would also agree with meeting halfway, once you are out of the newborn phase

Catsinthecupboard · 05/08/2019 19:35

I don't know if this matters at all, but as we get older, it's difficult to drive after dark. Sometimes we impose bc we can't see! Or bc we tire easily.

We also get lonely. Sometimes bc we are cranky and obnoxious, but also bc we live in a society that moves around; look how many children (you) live too far away for casual, spontaneous SHORT visits.

My mil hated me and I don't have a dil or sil to enjoy and annoy yet. BUT

These women are the grandparents and mothers of your dc and dp. They could easily have any special needs that your dc have. Your dc will be you someday.

You're setting the example of how you will be treated.

And believe it or not Confused my dc tell me that some things that I say are now offensive and just not said....things that were perfectly acceptable just a few years ago! But, I don't like television or movies any more, and I can't keep up with everything. It makes my head hurt!

If your mil is not purposefully cruel or dangerous, please try to think of kind and imaginative ways to deal with her. It will help you in the long run. My dc are kind and patient with me and dh, in part bc of the (however painful at the time) example that we gave them.
Wine

FelicisNox · 05/08/2019 19:39

YANBU to feel exhausted but you YABVU by not discussing this with her properly.

I know it's the worlds most uncomfortable conversation but you are both adults and not only would it be unfair to uninvite her or to stop inviting her to events full stop but you'd never get away with it.

Your DH may be too chicken to put his foot down with his mother but I reckon he will magically find his balls if you veto her altogether.

Not to mention your tenacious MIL would have a full scale nuclear meltdown on your doorstep.

To be honest, it's HIS mum and HE should be having this convo not you, but nowhere in the history of MN has any mummies boy anywhere EVER stood up to his mum, so good luck with that.

Just talk to her. Tell her you love her and you love her company and that you appreciate her millions but she really must calm down a bit.

She's clearly lonely and loves you, please don't ruin your relationship with her just because you're frustrated.

Crunchetta · 05/08/2019 19:41

It sounds to me like MIL is desperately lonely, I think it’s sad that you can’t accommodate her for the weekend! I understand it’s draining, but just think if this was your mother, would you be so harsh?

Toomuchtrouble4me · 05/08/2019 19:49

My friend has s brother like this - he just doesn’t read signals and when you spell it out for him he sees that as an invitation to discuss reasons why he’s right. He has aspergers - I know nothing about this condition except that he has no friends, he is highly inappropriate, not rude, just sort of shouty and often getting the wrong end of the stick. I wonder if she has something similar?

Bluntness100 · 05/08/2019 19:50

I also thought she was lonely. But she has a job and she is married so I'm not so sure. More it sounds like a fomo and attention seeking behaviour.

Nomorepies · 05/08/2019 19:54

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Fizzypoo · 05/08/2019 20:05

Going against the grain!

I think its lovely that you invite her along. Yes she's a bit much but that doesnt mean she's an awful person, she just has poor socialising skills.

Inviting her out when it's a group situation is nice, but I'd invite last minute and invite her to stay. If you invite her to stay you won't be so annoyed when she tries to wrangle an overnight.

I'd also go and meet her for coffee with dh at a garden centre or similar to where she lives for non event visits.

She wouldn't be seeking attention if she didn't need it. Happy people don't push themselves on others and do what she does. Being kind to her and including her is a lovely act of kindness.

QuickThinkOfAName · 05/08/2019 20:07

Whilst I have every sympathy with her (she seems to have boundary issues in terms of what she says) it's not the ops responsibility to sort this out.

She's pregnant. She has enough to deal with.

The mil has a job and a husband and hey look a son! They could be having his awkward conversation with her. Why is it down to the dil?

I would be looking forward to what's likely to happen in 9 months time. If the op invites her round for a coffee and a chat and mil sees this as a weekend stay then god only knows what will happen when there's a grandchild in the equation.

janj2301 · 05/08/2019 20:13

3 hours driving shouldn't be an issue. My youngest daughter, her husband and my only grandchild live 3 hours drive away, they both work full time Monday to Friday so if I want to see them I drive there and back on Sunday (I work Saturday), six hours driving for a three hour visit including Sunday lunch is not ideal but if I want to see them I do it.

Laiste · 05/08/2019 20:20

Married, employed and desperately lonely? Hmm. Sometimes we have to take responsibility for why we're lonely when there's plenty of people around us. Not expect our children's partners to take up the slack.

Laiste · 05/08/2019 20:21

I agree with two basic suggestions made above:

Invite her to less.

Invite her at late notice.

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