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MIL issue - have upset DH

138 replies

JuststopMIL · 04/08/2019 11:04

I should preface this with the fact that I know I’m really lucky to have a MIL who welcomed me into their family with open arms and judging by some of the stories on here I could have done much much worse.

My MIL is v loud and often says the wrong thing in social settings. As a result she doesn’t have a particularly big social group, so I find that she’s a little overbearing with me. I know DH gets upset for her that she isn’t included in things socially, so I try to make an effort to include her where I can. She lives around 1.5 hours away, and I find when I include her, she uses this to turn one invitation into a whole week or weekend of festivities (‘MIL’-fest as I’ve referred to it with my friends).

For example, for my birthday, a few friends, my mum and aunt went to a city 45 minutes away for a meal. I invited MIL - as it was 45 minutes the wrong way, she’d have been over 2 hours from home. My friends and I (so excl mum, aunt and MIL) were staying with a friend in the city we’d been in - I explained that a few of us were staying with a friend, but she wasn’t able to host any more, but I’d arranged for DH to collect her after the meal and bring her back to ours, where she could stay and then head home in the morning. I felt like this was a nice way to include her for the evening!

The week of my birthday, she then phones upset because ‘every single hotel in the city’ (where DH and I live) was booked for the evening before the meal so she’d need to stay with us the night before (the Friday when the meal was Saturday). I clarified that we wouldn’t be meeting until around 5pm on the Saturday so there really is no need to stay over the night before (not pointing out that it’s massively unlikely that every single room in the large city where we live is booked). She got upset, so we eventually settled on DH and I meeting MIL for dinner on the Friday while she stays in her magically free hotel room that we explained that she didn’t need.

The following day I knew she’d call in the morning to ask what we’re doing in the day (nothing - you weren’t invited), so I made a hair appointment and escaped the house, leaving DH to field her calls. The meal was fine - she said some v inappropriate things but I expect it from her and my mum and friends were understanding, until DH texted me saying that MIL told him not to worry about collecting her and we’d figured it out so she could stay. I texted DH back saying that was untrue, and she would still need collecting. When I asked her what had happened she say it was a miscommunication (I later checked the text and it absolutely wasn’t). DH collected her and she went home.

The following day my friends and I spent the morning shopping in the city we’d been to, heading home around 4pm. When I arrived MIL was still there, wanting my friends and I to go out for dinner with her. I had to leave the house at 5am the following day, so I sent my friends home, thanked MIL for coming but explained I needed to get organised for the week (I was away for the week with work so needed to pack). She kept insisting that we’d just go for one drink and then she’d just stay for one coffee, so I went upstairs to shower and left DH with her until she left.

In a few weeks DH and I are hosting a small celebration and I’ve told DH to invite MIL, on the understanding that she arrives at the start of the party and leaves at the end (MIL doesn’t drink and the party is midday until mid-afternoon so there’s no reason for this to cause an issue). Already I have texts that she should stay the night before to ‘help’ on the morning and the following day to clean up. I told her that isn’t necessary and she’s just invited to the party. She kept pushing back, so I asked DH to speak to her. He must be feeling worn down and embarrassed, and he was reluctant to speak with her. I calmly explained that when an afternoon long invitation repeatedly turns into a weekend long commitment, it makes me less likely to invite her in the first place and if this doesn’t stop then she’s not invited. He’s upset that he’s stuck in the middle of this between me and his mum - he doesn’t want her to be uninvited but she’s absolutely relentless and when told not to come the day before and after will appear anyway.

Would I be unreasonable to uninvite her to this and future events until she understands that an invitation to one meal isn’t free reign to take over an entire weekend?

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RandomMess · 04/08/2019 12:07

When MIL starts pushing for more perhaps the reason for the boundary need to be:

No, DW and I need time alone over the weekend as well as seeing you on X/hosting baby shower

This can then extend to DW, baby and I need time on our own over the weekend as well as seeing you on x

JuststopMIL · 04/08/2019 12:08

@cottonwoolsnowmen we did have a discussion with her a few years back - just saying what a shame it is that her visits need a whole weekend as we’d love to see her more often but couldn’t with the time it takes. She did say oh no I could just pop up for coffee, but then it started again and a coffee would be an overnight stay - it seems like she knows what she’s doing but in the moment doesn’t care

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fedup21 · 04/08/2019 12:08

I calmly explained that when an afternoon long invitation repeatedly turns into a weekend long commitment, it makes me less likely to invite her in the first place and if this doesn’t stop then she’s not invited

This is completely reasonable!

31RueCambon · 04/08/2019 12:09

I think you should have one VERY AWKWARD conversation with her with your H sitting there listening so MIL can't exaggerate what was said to make you look bad.

Throw a spotlight on what's happening. 'I want to invite you for lunch and would invite you to a specific thing more often but I feel like that's not possible.''

with your H sitting right there.

JuststopMIL · 04/08/2019 12:10

@cottonwoolsnowmen I think she’s v impulsive (demonstrated by her cancelling her lift home with nowhere to stay hoping we’d look after her), so I think she knows the impact when pointed out but can’t see it in the moment

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StreetwiseHercules · 04/08/2019 12:10

I feel really sorry for you and your DH here. I just don’t understand why people behave like your MIL do. It causes such hassle, stress and embarrassment for everyone involved, but these people just don’t seem to give a shit as long as they get their way.

CalmdownJanet · 04/08/2019 12:11

I'm a confused as to why you invited her yo someone else's baby shower on your side of the family when you knew this would happenConfused

or why you'd inflict a rude loud woman on anyone else? I mean you say your friends are ok but I'd be fucked off if my friends annoying rude mil was invited to shit there was no need for her to be invited to, particularly my baby shower.

She needs to stop inflicting herself on people.
Your dh needs to stop inflicting her on you.
You need to stop inflicting her on your friends and family.
You all need boundaries.

Flashingsilver · 04/08/2019 12:12

She sounds like hard work, and your obviously great company, but I agree, having her stay all the time, is not something I would like.
(I don’t agree with the don’t answer the door to her, that’s disgraceful, and it’s what a family member does to another member in my family.
No matter how annoying people are, that’s just plain hideous behaviour)
I think you probably need to stop giving invitations which involve a stay over, although you are kindly involving her in your family events.
Perhaps someone, your husband, needs to speak to his wife, or is there a Grandmother who could offer some advice?

Flashingsilver · 04/08/2019 12:12

You’re**

Flashingsilver · 04/08/2019 12:13

I meant your husband needs to broach it with his father

fedup21 · 04/08/2019 12:14

or why you'd inflict a rude loud woman on anyone else? I mean you say your friends are ok but I'd be fucked off if my friends annoying rude mil was invited to shit there was no need for her to be invited to, particularly my baby shower.

This, tbh. My friend had a girlfriend who used to invite her mum to everything we invited them to-she was so annoying and it changed the dynamic of every event.

It’s very telling that someone in their 50s hasn’t yet found a group of friends to gel with.

If your DH wants to spend his weekends with her-maybe he should go and stay.

TuesdaySunshine · 04/08/2019 12:16

YANBU but I do think you're making a rod for your own back here for no very good reason. If you know every invitation is going to turn into a big battle to assert your boundaries, why include her in everything? I'm not saying you should actively exclude her from appropriate family gatherings, but none of these invitations sound like ones most people would naturally extend to their MIL (lunch with your friends, baby shower of someone she doesn't know and isn't related to).

Why are you putting all of you through this? If it's because you feel sorry for her for having no friends, that's a bit patronising tbh. It seems like you feel good about being her social secretary, and that's fine, but I think you have to choose whether the warm fuzzy glow it gives you is worth the grief. If it is, then crack on and don't complain. If not, you know what to do really. I don't think you can have it both ways.

Tooner · 04/08/2019 12:16

I too don't understand why you would in invite her to the baby shower. (Although it is a very thoughtful thing to do)

Do you feel you should be inviting her to every gathering you have at your home?

I would be reducing invitations and making it clear how long she is expected to stay. As others have said, I think it will be much much worse once the baby arrives. Time to nip it in the bud now.

JuststopMIL · 04/08/2019 12:17

@CalmdownJanet the baby shower will involve around 50 people - one annoying personality is much more tolerable when diluted like that. She’s been invited by my family to events before so her invitation isn’t entirely unprecedented. She’s not a bad person (we have similar people on my side of the family who you don’t want there but invite to be kind - surely every family has a few?).

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Fourtimesthefun · 04/08/2019 12:18

With the upcoming event being a baby shower for your relative you would not be unreasonable at all to uninvite your MIL now she's pushing the boundaries.

This occasion needs to be about your relative and there's a high risk of your MIL saying something to offend.

I'd stop inviting her to things with your friends and your side of the family (excepting your parents) and see your MIL with DH or by yourself (occasionally!) Your friends and relatives likely don't want to offend you by saying they're not happy to have her there, don't let your own relationships with them be affected.

Definitely time to be firm about her not inviting herself to stay over.

Congratulations on your newsFlowers

Teaandcrisps · 04/08/2019 12:18

I think you sound really lovely and really patient. However, the relationship you have with your MIL sounds tiresome and with a baby, will likely grind you down.

Why do you feel like you have to put so much effort in? What about your OH - if hes getting roped in to clear up each time after a visit, then why are you insistent on inviting her? It's up to your OH and FIL to look after your MIL - so just stop.
But tbh I dont get all this in law stuff - I married my OH not thier family.

Coffeeandchocolate9 · 04/08/2019 12:24

the baby shower will involve around 50 people - one annoying personality is much more tolerable when diluted like that.

But in reality one or two people will get stuck with her while she makes twatty comments and she'll ruin or at the very least dampen the experience for those people, when she didn't need to have been invited at all. I think you're friends and family are being very tolerant but I agree with other posters that surely not all of them don't mind her, at last some of them are cross or upset by her comments but too polite to say.

The are "those" relatives you feel obliged to invite to some things, but not to everything

TacoLover · 04/08/2019 12:26

I'm still confused about her being 'inappropriate', I saw your example about the abortion but what else is she saying that's inappropriate? Just saying irrelevant things or actually offensive things?

Iwrotethissongfor · 04/08/2019 12:28

I would keep invitations to “family” events, when your husband’s present. Your MIL’s own husband doesn’t invite her out with his friends, in the same city that they both live in, I don’t understand why you’re inviting her out with yours, when her son’s not there and it’s clear it’s not like you just really click with her and want her there (abortion chat over dinner anyone?!) Does your husband invite her out on his birthday, with his friends but not you? I’m not meaning to criticise you but I just think it’s maybe a bit of an odd situation which has crept up on you where you have taken responsibility for entertaining and socialising her when her husband and son don’t. As I say it’d be different if you really liked her and wanted to invite her to your dinner with your friends but that’s not how it sounds.

Absolutely remain firm about the creeping nature of specific events, if need be to sweeten the pill at first you can just say no we’re busy the night before, no we have friends over afterwards etc until you've broken the pattern and then can just say no it’s ok we’ll see you at the party with everyone else.

ClareIsland · 04/08/2019 12:30

*Be her DIL. Not her friend.

Stop facilitating her social life that's not your job.

Let all contact go through DH.

Boundaries.*

THIS

I think you are doing far too much and risk that YOU will piss off your own friends and family by dragging this offensive person along.

Why did YOU ask for her to be invited to the baby shower? If the hostess wanted her there she would have invited her, surely? You are risking looking like the inappropriate one.

She has no friends, her DH has ditched her, if her DS wants to make her happy let him go off to visit her whilst you enjoy the baby shower.

If you find her irritating your friends and family (like the rest of the world to date) will find her even more irritating and will blame you for bringing her along. Her behaviour about the abortion was disgusting and YOU facilitate taking this high risk offensive person to being down a baby shower - WHY?

Are you seeking her approval?

SugarPlumLairy2 · 04/08/2019 12:35

Please stop! Just stop. She is a grown woman, she has had every opportunityand kindness shown to her to direct her towards appropriate behaviour but STILL pushes for more.

You are about to become a mother. You will have a child to care for, to advocate for. What will you teach them? Give into grandma? What happens when grandma encroaches on your child’s special days! Do you all just put up with it too because “grandma might be upset”.

How do you trump Grandmas feelings? Does you being hugely pregnant and hormonal (later on) allow you to say no to extended stays or does she win because she’s DHs mum?

My mother always had to be included,always needed more time, always needed more special arrangements, always had a wildly inappropriate story to tell. She was live,y and chatty but OMG she was exhausting.

There was never an event where the birthday person got to just enjoy themselves, where the baby showers where about the new mum, even generic BBQs became all about her dislike of BBQ meat, tapeworms and food poisoning. People “made allowances” at first but then started to avoid her or just not come if she was going to be there. I usually was distracted as I had to monitor where she was inserting herself, (inviting herself to the party of DC’s friend to “help” while clearly ignoring That parents drop off and leave and a strange gran was not welcome).

Say no.
If she complains explain, kindly at first, there was no point inviting as she a,ways insist on more time which couldn’t be accommodated. If only you’d known she could arrive/leave as per unite you would’ve invited her but sadly.....etc.

Good luck OP, I really hope this gets better for you.

ClareIsland · 04/08/2019 12:38

Meet ups could be for coffee/walk/lunch/event etc half way between you so all have a defined slot and can go back to your own homes.

Nofunkingworriesmate · 04/08/2019 12:45

I think your dH or you need to have a word about inappropriate conversation, someone else’s abortion is never dinner conversation and she needs to be told straight to never bring it up again in any situation it’s very odd that a grown woman without a diagnosed condition would do this. You and everyone else is being too kind and understanding you are not helping her social skills

Bluetrews25 · 04/08/2019 12:46

Of course she welcomed you into the family with open arms! She saw you as someone to be with who cannot back away like the rest of her friends.
She is showing all the signs of being a potential MIL from hell once you DC comes (Congratulations, BTW).......I bet you she decides to retire, so she can 'help' and do childminding.

Seaweed42 · 04/08/2019 12:50

You are already doing a lot by taking over the relationship with your MIL from your DH. You are very kind inviting her to all sorts of things that MILs mightn't normally be included in.
It's like you give her an inch and she takes a mile. As soon as she has the 'in' she abuses the boundaries to push her own agenda. It's tricky for sure. She sounds like she has no motivation to generate events and excitment in her own life, so has to piggyback on other people's events and make those people 'carry her'. She is literally like a child who demands to be carried.
You have to get your DH to buy in more to helping you maintain the boundaries. Every time there is an event you sit down with him and say 'this is how far I am prepared to go with your mother. I've invited her to X event, it starts at 3pm and ends at 8pm. It's up to you now to phone her and discuss the travel arrangements with her'.
You need to keeps passing the Boundary arrangements back to your DH. If she starts playing games with you about outstaying her welcome or manipulating a scenario, text her and say you are too busy right now and DH will ring her about it.

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